Trans woman & OTQer Megan Youngren's amazing marathon progression.

FemaleRnr wrote:

The reality learns that "transitioning" only makes you faster.

So a guy wouldn't even have to spring for a pair of Vaporflys? Good to know.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

FemaleRnr wrote:

I just gave you several examples where athletes became faster after switching genders. They didn't slow down, they didn't stay at the same level, no they got considerably faster. Just goes to show what a joke "transitioning" is.

Two of your examples, the Connecticutt sprinters, are not on hormone treatments and not relevant to this thread.

They do claim to be on hormone treatments.

FemaleRnr, you know you’re right. And it is obvious that you are right, but people are going to try to gaslight you, mansplain to you about irrelevant things, matter of factly claim falsehoods, and so on. But you are right. 2+2=4, and the emperor has no clothes. From another female runner, thank you for speaking the truth.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

FemaleRnr wrote:

I just gave you several examples where athletes became faster after switching genders. They didn't slow down, they didn't stay at the same level, no they got considerably faster. Just goes to show what a joke "transitioning" is.

Two of your examples, the Connecticutt sprinters, are not on hormone treatments and not relevant to this thread.

How do you know who is and who isn't on hormone treatments? Are you their doctor?

And I hope you realize that taking one birth control pill makes you technically on hormone treatments.

Anyway, Yearwood and Miller are transgenders who are transitioning (whatever that means in their fantasy world), just like Youngren and Eastwood. 3 out of 4 became faster and the last one is very likely sandbagging, but still took a couple of awards and a scholarship away from biological girls.

A very dangerous precedent.

When you allow biological men into the trials, there is no way back.

When (not if) biological men will grab one of the 3 spots in the future, they will use this as an argument: "Can we as transgenders only participate if we don't win? You allowed us to participate in 2020." The USATF will have to send the trans to the Olympics, effectively destroying the career of a biological woman.

Megan/Mark Youngren already progressed from a 4:03 to a 2:43 marathon in one year, an incredible progression, unbelievable, unheard of for a "woman". It's very possible that s/he can lower it with a further 20 minutes the next four years and win the Trials in 2024.

Still not officially in...

FemaleRnr wrote:

https://www.adn.com/sports/2020/02/27/soldotna-runner-says-usa-track-field-has-approved-her-entry-in-us-olympic-marathon-trials/

A very dangerous precedent.

When you allow biological men into the trials, there is no way back.

When (not if) biological men will grab one of the 3 spots in the future, they will use this as an argument: "Can we as transgenders only participate if we don't win? You allowed us to participate in 2020." The USATF will have to send the trans to the Olympics, effectively destroying the career of a biological woman.

Megan/Mark Youngren already progressed from a 4:03 to a 2:43 marathon in one year, an incredible progression, unbelievable, unheard of for a "woman". It's very possible that s/he can lower it with a further 20 minutes the next four years and win the Trials in 2024.

I've never heard that men are faster than women when it comes to rate of improvement.

why should someone once a man be able to compete as a women.. I have no problem with trans people but this should not be allowed I'm sorry

notokay222 wrote:

why should someone once a man be able to compete as a women.. I have no problem with trans people but this should not be allowed I'm sorry

She ran a 2:50 today, good enough for 230th place, but point taken.

Oh Please wrote:

notokay222 wrote:

why should someone once a man be able to compete as a women.. I have no problem with trans people but this should not be allowed I'm sorry

She ran a 2:50 today, good enough for 230th place, but point taken.

They showed her running for a minute or two and she has a bad body for running with a poor stride. It's amazing she managed to run 2:43 to qualify.

Not sure why you feel the need to compete as a women, if compete at all.

If you have the kind of mental health issue that these people have, being an athlete should be the least of your concern.

Besides, just be a man as an athlete. 2:43 is a decent time.

FemaleRnr wrote:

https://www.adn.com/sports/2020/02/27/soldotna-runner-says-usa-track-field-has-approved-her-entry-in-us-olympic-marathon-trials/

A very dangerous precedent.

When you allow biological men into the trials, there is no way back.

When (not if) biological men will grab one of the 3 spots in the future, they will use this as an argument: "Can we as transgenders only participate if we don't win? You allowed us to participate in 2020." The USATF will have to send the trans to the Olympics, effectively destroying the career of a biological woman.

Megan/Mark Youngren already progressed from a 4:03 to a 2:43 marathon in one year, an incredible progression, unbelievable, unheard of for a "woman". It's very possible that s/he can lower it with a further 20 minutes the next four years and win the Trials in 2024.

Based on watching her run for a minute or so, it's not possible at all that she will improve 20 more minutes.

Oh Please wrote:

notokay222 wrote:

why should someone once a man be able to compete as a women.. I have no problem with trans people but this should not be allowed I'm sorry

She ran a 2:50 today, good enough for 230th place, but point taken.

Does it matter? How good does someone have to be before it matters?

If a former man comes 100th place is that fine too?

What about top 20? Top 3?

The argument “but they didn’t win” isn’t going to work in the long term and isn’t reflective of the issue

Lois2 wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

She ran a 2:50 today, good enough for 230th place, but point taken.

Does it matter? How good does someone have to be before it matters?

If a former man comes 100th place is that fine too?

What about top 20? Top 3?

The argument “but they didn’t win” isn’t going to work in the long term and isn’t reflective of the issue

It does matter. Many, many people have predicted that transgender females competing will end women's sports. In that context, one finishing 20-100 is meaningless. No money is taken from cisgender women and no one is bumped from an Olympic team.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

She ran a 2:50 today, good enough for 230th place, but point taken.

They showed her running for a minute or two and she has a bad body for running with a poor stride. It's amazing she managed to run 2:43 to qualify.

How dare you bodyshame a trans person?

It's quite interesting that Megan (previously Mark) ran without permission from USATF. S-he basicall ran as a bandit, because USATF didn't accept her entry:

Megan Youngren info needed not accepted

And yes, this matters. Jonathan Eastwood took a scholarship from a girl, in the future biological men (see Semenya) will take Olympic spots and medals from women.

It seems like she did things the right way.

From this ESPN article -

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/28810993/megan-youngren-becomes-first-openly-trans-athlete-compete-marathon-trials

Youngren, 28, first started taking hormones in 2011, when she was in college. She came out the next year as transgender and finalized the paperwork for her transition last year. She received a phone call from USA Track & Field officials in the days leading up to the race to confirm her spot.

"They asked for my medical history in the case that World Athletics wants it. I sent it," she told the Anchorage Daily News before the race.

USATF follows the same rules that the International Olympic Committee does for trans athletes. A transgender woman must show a certain low level of testosterone, a threshold Youngren easily fell under.

From The ESPN Article wrote:

It seems like she did things the right way.

Nope, s-he didn't, that's why USATF didn't accept "her" on the official list: Megan Youngren info needed not accepted

Was there anyone who saw that part where NBS shower "her" running and didn't think "that's a dude"? I have to admit, I had to laugh pretty hard when I saw "her" fake b**bs.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Lois2 wrote:

Does it matter? How good does someone have to be before it matters?

If a former man comes 100th place is that fine too?

What about top 20? Top 3?

The argument “but they didn’t win” isn’t going to work in the long term and isn’t reflective of the issue

It does matter. Many, many people have predicted that transgender females competing will end women's sports. In that context, one finishing 20-100 is meaningless. No money is taken from cisgender women and no one is bumped from an Olympic team.

Okay so it’s a free for all until...when? When a biological male comes 19th? When they come 3rd and make the team? It’s all good until some other arbitrary limit is hit, then what? We suddenly DQ them? That’s not going to happen.

Or are you say you personally support this until someone does win?

What sort of win though? Is a local 5k a sacrifice? A marathon major? Is it okay until it’s Olympic team? What if they come 20th at the Olympics?

I just can’t see the natural end of the “but she didn’t win” argument

Other than the local 5K, there is zero indication any of your predictions will come true. You're getting worked up over runners that don't exist.

But the thing is... they don't.

Why don't they?