Isn't free college already a thing?

HRE wrote:

Alex87 wrote:

Ever heard of community college?

Yes. But not free community colleges. Where are there free ones?

Most aren't, but there's 11 states and counting which have free ones.

Anyone who can get into an Ivy already has the means to attend. The sticker price is just for looks. They have extremely generous financial aid for anyone who's parents aren't super rich and almost everyone graduates debt free.

Can't Stump the Trump wrote:

wowza wrote:

It's time to stop measuring our success as a nation with solely the stock market and GDP.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284285/new-high-americans-satisfied-personal-life.aspx

most people are not satisfied with how things are going in this country

That was not true for us. We earn average salaries but we saved our entire lives instead of spending anything. The ivies looked at our savings and decided that we could pay full price while our friends and neighbors who earn much more were offered significant discounts.

I am still waiting for you to tell me which Big Ten school is free for the smart kids.

OP goes home DEVASTATED

Undecided Pennsylvania Voter wrote:

HRE wrote:

Yes. But not free community colleges. Where are there free ones?

Most aren't,

Successfully debunking the ridiculous original post.

Thanks for that. There is still the matter of all the places community colleges are not free and paying for the last two years even in places where it is. But it's a start.

the weigher wrote:

Undecided Pennsylvania Voter wrote:

Most aren't,

Successfully debunking the ridiculous original post.

It doesn't matter that most community colleges aren't free. As long as some free community colleges exist, people have the option of going to community college for free. Most people move to go to school. Just move to where the free community college is.

Alex87 wrote:

the weigher wrote:

Successfully debunking the ridiculous original post.

It doesn't matter that most community colleges aren't free. As long as some free community colleges exist, people have the option of going to community college for free. Most people move to go to school. Just move to where the free community college is.

Seriously? Those community college can absorb the influx of all of these additional students currently paying for college? And where are all of the additional funds coming from?

the weigher wrote:

Alex87 wrote:

It doesn't matter that most community colleges aren't free. As long as some free community colleges exist, people have the option of going to community college for free. Most people move to go to school. Just move to where the free community college is.

Seriously? Those community college can absorb the influx of all of these additional students currently paying for college? And where are all of the additional funds coming from?

"All these additional students"? The point is that I, as an individual, can get a free education if I want to. So yeah, I think they can absorb the influx of one additional student.

The option exists for anyone who wants to to go to community college. Most choose not to, but free college is available to them.

Public colleges usually have residency requirements so you may not be able just to show up where community colleges are free and be able to attend for free. And even if you can, moving is not free, rent and food aren't free. When I was teaching at community colleges a lot, certainly not all, but a lot of my students were living with their parents, often for free. It may turn out that moving to where community colleges are free will cost you a fair bit of money. And there's still the matter of your last two years.

Alex87 wrote:

the weigher wrote:

Seriously? Those community college can absorb the influx of all of these additional students currently paying for college? And where are all of the additional funds coming from?

"All these additional students"? The point is that I, as an individual, can get a free education if I want to. So yeah, I think they can absorb the influx of one additional student.

The option exists for anyone who wants to to go to community college. Most choose not to, but free college is available to them.

The (poor) argument is that “most people can already go to college for free”. In order for most people to be going to free community college, it would be an influx of more than just you. The argument was not that we have a system where someone currently paying for college wouldn’t have to, it was that most people paying for college could switch to going for free, which is false.

It isn't always as simple as moving somewhere to get the in state tuition rate. I moved to Florida for work a number of years ago. My wife and I (girlfriend at the time) had been living there for 2.5 years when I decided to go back to school for a healtcare related field. I was denied in-state tuition twice before finally being approved on my 2nd appeal. They claimed I couldn't prove Florida was my domicile because I didn't have sufficient evidence of connections to the state that made it my permanent home. They don't want people moving there and waiting a few years so they can get in-state tuition. I don't know how schools in California go about the process but it isn't necessarily as easy as simply moving somewhere to get in-state or free tuition.

Alex87 wrote:

the weigher wrote:

Successfully debunking the ridiculous original post.

It doesn't matter that most community colleges aren't free. As long as some free community colleges exist, people have the option of going to community college for free. Most people move to go to school. Just move to where the free community college is.

HAHAHAHAHAH!

Alex87 wrote:

the weigher wrote:

Seriously? Those community college can absorb the influx of all of these additional students currently paying for college? And where are all of the additional funds coming from?

"All these additional students"? The point is that I, as an individual, can get a free education if I want to. So yeah, I think they can absorb the influx of one additional student.

The option exists for anyone who wants to to go to community college. Most choose not to, but free college is available to them.

bone head post of the day....good grief

We already have free health care too......just move to Canada!

wowza wrote:

Alex87 wrote:

"All these additional students"? The point is that I, as an individual, can get a free education if I want to. So yeah, I think they can absorb the influx of one additional student.

The option exists for anyone who wants to to go to community college. Most choose not to, but free college is available to them.

bone head post of the day....good grief

We already have free health care too......just move to Canada!

Mostly what this thread has shown is that poors would rather make excuses than actually improve themselves (shocker!). If a thousand doors are opened to you, you'll make a thousand excuses as to why the situation isn't just perfect for you to walk though any one of those doors.

You're right. There is no way to go to college that requires absolutely zero effort or discomfort on your part. In your worldview, this means that attending college is impossible.

Yes, people move to go to college. It's a normal thing to do. I get that this is a deal killer for you because it requires some effort on your part and you don't just get to sit down and wait for people to hand you what you want with no sacrifice of your own required.

No one said they wanted a guarantee of zero effort or discomfort to attend college. They have merely pointed out that your proposed solution to the nationwide problem of college affordability is for all our poorest students to move halfway across the county to attend a select few community colleges that they won't even qualify for free in-state tuition for in most cases, is one of the most ill-considered, moranic pea-brained proposals that they have ever seen. Even among the bootstrappers, you stand out as especially misguided.

the weigher wrote:

The (poor) argument is that “most people can already go to college for free”. In order for most people to be going to free community college, it would be an influx of more than just you. The argument was not that we have a system where someone currently paying for college wouldn’t have to, it was that most people paying for college could switch to going for free, which is false.

Terrible logic. Anyone can visit the park for free. But if everyone visit the park simultaneously, it would be overcrowded. That doesn't change the fact that it is in fact available for free.

If people don't go to community college it's because they choose not to. There's no need to handle an influx of hypothetical students who choose not to go. That doesn't change the fact that it is available for anyone who chooses.