We have boots on the ground at the Iowa caucuses

fisky wrote:

Can someone who is tech-savvy explain what really went wrong with this app? All we're getting on CNN and Fox (I'm watching them both with the Fox Mulder approach, "The truth is out there" probably somewhere in the middle of what I'm hearing on CNN and Fox). Anyway, all we're getting on CNN and Fox is that there were problems with the app.

A computer can take the number of votes from the app and crunch them into the proper columns in a millisecond so the problem had to be with the server, right? Or, maybe in the validation process of signing in?

My understanding is that there were lots of problems, mostly dealing with the user interface and connectivity issues. You could argue user interface issues were actually user errors, but a good designed app will be tolerant of user errors. This one wasn't. At least from what I've heard. One guy said he fat-fingered the number of delegates at his precinct, and then it wouldn't let him go back and correct it.

This is why almost every user app is internally tested thoroughly and then beta tested in the field. And you find a lot of bugs out in the field that you forgot to test for in the lab.

I'm sure crunching the numbers wasn't the hard part. Getting the correct numbers from a 75-year-old volunteer and being able to send those over cellular data in rural Iowa are the most likely problems.

It was former Clinton operatives who were responsible for the malfunctioning app.

joedirt wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Sanders takes the opposite approach. Run hard on unyielding progressive principles and build support from a large small donor base. Win elections by bringing out new voters instead of alienating voters by trying to appeal to a non-existent center.

In any given election 40% of voters will vote for the Republican regardless of who it is and 40% will vote for the Democrat regardless of who it is. Extremist candidates don't win elections because they can't pull the middle. Leftists like Sanders or AOC and right wing extremists like Rand Paul and Mike Lee will never win a national election because they can't pull a majority share of the 20% of voters in the middle. There is nothing the Republicans would like to see more than Bernie Sanders on the Democratic ticket come November.

Voter turnout for presidential elections in the US has been about 55-58% in the US. About 140k turned out in 2016 and @110k sat out the election. It was about 64k for Trump and 68k for Clinton. If you can get 10% of the nonvoters to come out and support you, you will win in a landslide.

Also, polls have shown that Bernie's supporters are do or die. They are far less likely to turn out for a centrist. But supporters of the centrists are generally ok with supporting whoever is the nominee.

Finally, Trump makes Rand Paul look like an establishment centrist. What Trump taught us is that you can win by being bold. Hillary taught us that you lose by being a centrist.

Original Bernie Bro wrote:

Bernie Bros are on economic left.

No, they're not. Sandernomics is classic welfare capitalism, Euro-style. Socialism is public ownership of real wealth, not mere entitlement to gifts from the government siphoned from private owners.

What better way to prevent a real economic left from happening than lead everyone astray with a fake? That's who Sanders is, and he's in full cahoots with his party on it.

Bad Wigins wrote:

That's who Sanders is, and he's in full cahoots with his party on it.

Sanders doesn't have a party.

He's independent.

L L wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

That's who Sanders is, and he's in full cahoots with his party on it.

Sanders doesn't have a party.

He's independent.

He's a registered Democrat.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Original Bernie Bro wrote:

Bernie Bros are on economic left.

No, they're not. Sandernomics is classic welfare capitalism, Euro-style. Socialism is public ownership of real wealth, not mere entitlement to gifts from the government siphoned from private owners.

What better way to prevent a real economic left from happening than lead everyone astray with a fake? That's who Sanders is, and he's in full cahoots with his party on it.

You are making stuff up. Senator Sanders is not in cahoots with D.N.C. You may say D.N.C. are broad thinking for allowing Senator Sanders to run as a Democrat. Democrats have been undermining Sanders. You have a habit of throwing out conspiracy theories. You offer little to no evidence for your conspiracy theories. By your posts over the years, you most likely label yourself some type of Libertarian. You know little to nothing of D.N.C. operations and what Senator Sanders went through in 2016 and how DNC is working against Senator Sanders today.

Regarding you challenging me on my statement that Bernie Bros are on economic left.

You are speaking in absolute terms. You want to degrade Bernie Bros if Bernie Bros are not taking over corporate farms &/or taking over manufacturing plants. Social democrats in Europe do not take over corporate farms and do not take over manufacturing sites.

Get your checkbook out. I am sure your taxes will go up under Senator Sanders.

Original Bernie Bro wrote:

You have a habit of throwing out conspiracy theories. You offer little to no evidence for your conspiracy theories.

Sheepdogging is a well known practice of the Dem party. I'm not going to type out a little Politics 101 course for noobs every time I say it.

You don't have to dig very deep to figure out Sanders' "left" positions are pretty much all fake. Single payer? He voted for Obamacare, now he proposes an empty bill named after, of all the doomed-to-failure labels imaginable, Medicare. Calls himself a "socialist," proposes classic welfare-state programs funded by taxes. Says "no more wars," then trashes Russia and Assad and lines up with Zionists. Says he's leading a "revolution," then tells you to vote for a Clinton.

If, after all these years, you still don't realize he's not who he says he is, then you aren't who you think you are.