The armory has hallways designated to cooldown and warmup in
The armory has hallways designated to cooldown and warmup in
fromtheboards wrote:
The armory has hallways designated to cooldown and warmup in
Yeah, I was curious about that. Can you give more information? What specifically do they have
Do they have treadmills?
Anyway, though. It's certainly going to be a lot tougher to get a good cool down in a hallway. When this probably a bunch of people around and people shuffling in and out. I mean, I'm sure you can warm up a little bit and Do your best? But there's no way that would compare to being able to run outside where you could have all the time and space you need.
Anyway, I know Mary Cain said that some of the women in the Pro Race we're actually going outside to warm up. And she said it wasn't worth it cuz of the cold. So it can't be that great of a space. So obviously it makes sense for Tuohy not to. Go crazy and to ease into her finishes. In a race where she's winning by over a minute.
This as always is an entertaining exchange.
1 - Tuohy did not peak in January 2019. She ran 4:40ish 1600m and 9:51 2mile in March at NBIN to win the DMR and the 2mile. She ran a 4:36 1600m leg of the DMR at Penn relays in April, and then in June won the 1500 and 3000 at the NY State/Federation meet. At that point, she felt flat/fatigued so coach/athlete decided not to do any post season meets. She took a long break and ramped up slowly for Fall 2019 XC. (Note: when male high school studs like Grant Fisher/Leo D stop the season after states, we applaud their coaches' maturity and long term vision)
2 - Pacing in non important races. Her standard technique is to go out hard, blow the field away and then either coast home if it's a silly race, or occasionally keep pushing a bit to make a decent time. While I get a kick out of the concept of having workout and cool down all be within the race distance, I actually agree with rojo that she could learn a lot more by experimenting with different tactics. Could be sit and kick, or practicing surges at different points in the race etc.
Although I think she could unleash a pretty solid kick off a slow pace from 300-400 meters out, my guess is that she does not like to lose races and she worries that if she lets anyone hang around, she could get outkicked even in a local race. I'm pretty sure this is runner preference, and that the coaches are trying to get her to vary tactics. (It's hard to argue with results though since she is something like 189-1 at distances over 600m since sophomore year)
Ironically, when she gets the baton on the anchor of a DMR, she also tends to go out too hard to make up the ground early. This can also be a race strategy, but it does reduce the chance of running the best possible split and making up the most possible deficit.
90 percent of the time at the armory distance runners warm up outside - interesting that Cain- a ny girl -who run outside all the time decided to jog in a 10@ meter straightaway for her warmup - but she is anti pro diet, abut pro focus - she might as well be anti pro warming up
This thread makes me wonder why more top high school milers do not hit the 800 as well. You'd think that it'd be easier to train speed at that age, endurance takes longer to develop.
leana wrote:
90 percent of the time at the armory distance runners warm up outside - interesting that Cain- a ny girl -who run outside all the time decided to jog in a 10@ meter straightaway for her warmup - but she is anti pro diet, abut pro focus - she might as well be anti pro warming up
Thanks for sharing. So they just run around the block. I guess depending on the weather? Let me know any other details. It's in New York City, right?
Well, I'm sure touhy's familiar with it. She's run there enough. So I imagine she's comfortable with it. But obviously it's not ideal conditions to be. Cooling down on city streets in the winter timeperiod
zcxvzxcv wrote:
This thread makes me wonder why more top high school milers do not hit the 800 as well. You'd think that it'd be easier to train speed at that age, endurance takes longer to develop.
What do you mean almost all the top girl distance runners run the 800? . Tuohy starliper Hutchins parks Dudek they all run the 800.
Hart has run 2:10.
Good points, good post!
I don't disagree that Tuohy should learn better race tactics.
Like if she runs more competitive Races this year. I do think she should race with the pack and try to pick her distance to Surge at
Like she should look over the field and figure out what distance she's faster than everyone else at.
And then she should. See how the race is going and then pick her spot to Surge.
But I just really wouldn't be critical of her. In a race where she has no competition for going out and running like she normally does and easing into the Finish.
Also, she kind of did peak in January last year
. A 9013 k is Definitely a bit faster than any of those times you mentioned
A 901 3K works out to about a 942 2 Mile And about a 433-1600
ny guy wrote:
This as always is an entertaining exchange.
1 - Tuohy did not peak in January 2019. She ran 4:40ish 1600m and 9:51 2mile in March at NBIN to win the DMR and the 2mile. She ran a 4:36 1600m leg of the DMR at Penn relays in April, and then in June won the 1500 and 3000 at the NY State/Federation meet. At that point, she felt flat/fatigued so coach/athlete decided not to do any post season meets. She took a long break and ramped up slowly for Fall 2019 XC. (Note: when male high school studs like Grant Fisher/Leo D stop the season after states, we applaud their coaches' maturity and long term vision)
2 - Pacing in non important races. Her standard technique is to go out hard, blow the field away and then either coast home if it's a silly race, or occasionally keep pushing a bit to make a decent time. While I get a kick out of the concept of having workout and cool down all be within the race distance, I actually agree with rojo that she could learn a lot more by experimenting with different tactics. Could be sit and kick, or practicing surges at different points in the race etc.
Although I think she could unleash a pretty solid kick off a slow pace from 300-400 meters out, my guess is that she does not like to lose races and she worries that if she lets anyone hang around, she could get outkicked even in a local race. I'm pretty sure this is runner preference, and that the coaches are trying to get her to vary tactics. (It's hard to argue with results though since she is something like 189-1 at distances over 600m since sophomore year)
Ironically, when she gets the baton on the anchor of a DMR, she also tends to go out too hard to make up the ground early. This can also be a race strategy, but it does reduce the chance of running the best possible split and making up the most possible deficit.
Good points, good post!
I don't disagree that Tuohy should learn better race tactics.
Like if she runs more competitive Races this year. I do think she should race with the pack and try to pick her distance to Surge at
Like she should look over the field and figure out what distance she's faster than everyone else at.
And then she should. See how the race is going and then pick her spot to Surge.
But I just really wouldn't be critical of her. In a race where she has no competition for going out and running like she normally does and easing into the Finish.
Also, she kind of did peak in January last year
. A 9013 k is Definitely a bit faster than any of those times you mentioned
A 901 3K works out to about a 942 2 Mile And about a 433-1600.... Especially considering it was indoors with the tight turns and it was a national record. , granted it was a Pro Race So that helped push the pace.
regarding January peak - note Cruz Culpeper just ran 4:01 for the mile at UW vs college and pro off a former pr of 4:09 and a season best of 4:11.
It sure looks like he and a few others have a legit chance at 4minutes this year, but lets say he never breaks 4, but still wins the Brooks national mile in 4:03, would I really criticize his coaching and training and say that he peaked in January and then fell off a cliff? or would I just assume that on a particular January day, everything was just perfect.
Tuohy's PRs come in funny places:
The 15:37 5k was a January race she won by over 2 minutes and lapped everyone twice, so it was more like a time trial. It was her only 5k ever on the track.
The 4:33 mile was in 95 degree heat at NBON in June, which she won by 10 seconds.
The 9:01 3k was a January race with pros that went pretty close to perfect.
Her best XC race was arguably the 6k club xc in December.
Obviously, she has varying degrees of fitness with training cycle and injury, but she has been more consistent over time than she gets credit for. Like most of us, her PRs happen when everything is just right, and sometimes when you least expect it.
So when did she peak? Last June? 2018?
ny guy wrote:
This as always is an entertaining exchange.
1 - Tuohy did not peak in January 2019. She ran 4:40ish 1600m and 9:51 2mile in March at NBIN to win the DMR and the 2mile. She ran a 4:36 1600m leg of the DMR at Penn relays in April, and then in June won the 1500 and 3000 at the NY State/Federation meet. At that point, she felt flat/fatigued so coach/athlete decided not to do any post season meets. She took a long break and ramped up slowly for Fall 2019 XC. (Note: when male high school studs like Grant Fisher/Leo D stop the season after states, we applaud their coaches' maturity and long term vision)
2 - Pacing in non important races. Her standard technique is to go out hard, blow the field away and then either coast home if it's a silly race, or occasionally keep pushing a bit to make a decent time. While I get a kick out of the concept of having workout and cool down all be within the race distance, I actually agree with rojo that she could learn a lot more by experimenting with different tactics. Could be sit and kick, or practicing surges at different points in the race etc.
Although I think she could unleash a pretty solid kick off a slow pace from 300-400 meters out, my guess is that she does not like to lose races and she worries that if she lets anyone hang around, she could get outkicked even in a local race. I'm pretty sure this is runner preference, and that the coaches are trying to get her to vary tactics. (It's hard to argue with results though since she is something like 189-1 at distances over 600m since sophomore year)
Ironically, when she gets the baton on the anchor of a DMR, she also tends to go out too hard to make up the ground early. This can also be a race strategy, but it does reduce the chance of running the best possible split and making up the most possible deficit.
She won the 3,000 and then decided to not run in the 1,500 the following day. Sarah Connolly won the 1,500
No, they don't have treadmills, too many runners to use em, there'd be a fight over who gets them. The hallway is actually pretty useful. There are two hallways but usually, people run in one and stretch/stride in the other.
You jog around in it for 15-20 min and you'll be nice and warmed up or you can go outside and warm up but some people don't wanna brace the cold for it. But yeah people get a warmup in the halls or outside it's just a personal thing on which one you do
ny guy wrote:
Ironically, when she gets the baton on the anchor of a DMR, she also tends to go out too hard to make up the ground early. This can also be a race strategy, but it does reduce the chance of running the best possible split and making up the most possible deficit.
Cheserek used to always do that in high school. He's turned out alright.
For those who care, Tuohy is entered in 1,000, 1,500 and 3,000 today in Section 1 Class A meet. The 3,000 is underway and she seems to be running 39 second laps so far. https://results.armorytrack.com/meets/4030/events/191760/live
so far 9:52 for 3,000, 2:53 for 1,000 - can't be 30 minutes between those 2
fastTuohy wrote:
so far 9:52 for 3,000, 2:53 for 1,000 - can't be 30 minutes between those 2
pretty good, but running a 3k 40 seconds slower than ability isn't gonna take much air out of the tires on a very fit person
high school xc coach wrote:
fastTuohy wrote:
so far 9:52 for 3,000, 2:53 for 1,000 - can't be 30 minutes between those 2
pretty good, but running a 3k 40 seconds slower than ability isn't gonna take much air out of the tires on a very fit person
don't disagree, but there were those saying her ceiling was 9:20!
4:33 for 1,500 about 50 minutes after the 1,000, pretty much steady 37 second laps