The coronavirus panic proves how easily manipulated people are and how the media sensationalizes everything

zzzz:

I’ve explained CFR in other threads. They are trolls so they would never agree with your analysis. They don’t like the methods provided by WHO and used in every other healthcare situation over time.

I hope people in this thread realize that even if it somehow miraculously turns out to be a huge overreaction, the entire economy crash is still 100% Trump's fault for botching the testing leading the US to have no idea how many cases it has or where they are, leading to necessity of extreme measures based on poor information.

dunes runner wrote:

zzzz wrote:

I've shown the paper where I got my method.

I didn't look at your piece of paper, but it is very simple to see that my figures are correct.

Your figure is a rapidly moving target It adds nothing useful to the raw case deaths, except as a snapshot in time proportion to the total population. It was one death 17 days ago and 74 now. 74x change in 17 days. Mortality rate is expressed is number of deaths per 1,000 or 100,000, etc. per year. A figure that changes from 1 to 74x to hundreds in a week or so is not a death rate, emphasis on rate.

Case Fatality Rate, what I estimated using the method in that scientific paper, is the proportion of cases that result in death.

dunes runner wrote:

You don't compare the death rates in cars with how many people have been in fatal accidents.

You compare the deaths with the total population of the country, the same as is done for every other cause of death

Fatality rate for cars is a rate, not a constantly increasing number. It's 11 per 100,000, so that can properly be called a rate. An exponentially increasing number divided by a population is not a rate.

OKBoomer wrote:

You don’t understand....the hospitals are not shut down. Research on coronavirus is still ongoing. I work at another large academic medical center and it’s the same here. Classes and meetings are proceeding remotely via ZOOM. no large gatherings permitted. This is in compliance with state and national guidelines. Healthcare is still being provided.

The school not the hospital. Research would be carried out whether the school was shut down or not. Do you understand why some would consider shutting down countries and sending economies into recession is an overreaction and that there's a leadership vacuum politically and medically that's letting this hysteria run wild?

zzzz wrote:

Fatality rate for cars is a rate, not a constantly increasing number. It's 11 per 100,000, so that can properly be called a rate. An exponentially increasing number divided by a population is not a rate.

I didn't use an exponent, and you did.

Also, you didn't include the whole populations.

Therefore, my figures are correct, and your figures are not correct.

self isolate now wrote:

I hope people in this thread realize that even if it somehow miraculously turns out to be a huge overreaction, the entire economy crash is still 100% Trump's fault for botching the testing leading the US to have no idea how many cases it has or where they are, leading to necessity of extreme measures based on poor information.

But, Trump rated his response a 10/10...

Reality and Truth wrote:

macdaddy wrote:

My opinion aligns with trusted organizations - medical organizations of all sorts. What ‘readings’ does your opinion come from? Please share some of the resources that you’ve read and collected your information from. Until then, your opinion is less valid than mine, and you’re intentionally spreading crap.

And you’re unintentionally a comedian

Solid argument. This is how I know you got your news from a Facebook group named “Alt-right Memes”.

Here’s attempt #3: Please send me some scientific articles that support your ‘valid’ opinion.

Amazing, simply amazing, to see the "flu is worse" or "it's fine stop panicking" people still at it. This thread started in January!

macdaddy wrote:

Reality and Truth wrote:

And you’re unintentionally a comedian

Solid argument. This is how I know you got your news from a Facebook group named “Alt-right Memes”.

Here’s attempt #3: Please send me some scientific articles that support your ‘valid’ opinion.

Here’s attempt #4: Please show me the science that supports your ‘valid’ opinion

Sampson wrote:

Amazing, simply amazing, to see the "flu is worse" or "it's fine stop panicking" people still at it. This thread started in January!

Yip, started in January and flu deaths are still far outstripping coronavirus.

You do realise you just made our point for us?

Cool story bro, problem is no one of any significance is buying it.

Reality and Truth wrote:

Sampson wrote:

Amazing, simply amazing, to see the "flu is worse" or "it's fine stop panicking" people still at it. This thread started in January!

Yip, started in January and flu deaths are still far outstripping coronavirus.

You do realise you just made our point for us?

Hardly.

The ICU I work in (medium sized hospital) is half full of intubated COVID patients--age range 35-70. Bunch others are rule outs though likely positive. In a little over 1 week we've gone from zero to this. We don't ever see this--we barely see this many flu patients all YEAR.

Not only are you wrong, but you're now being willfully blind. Facts Matter et al were wrong in January and now ya'll are just pathetically blind. Or possibly just stupid. Pick one.

Hilariousness wrote:

Hardly.

The ICU I work in (medium sized hospital) is half full of intubated COVID patients--age range 35-70. Bunch others are rule outs though likely positive. In a little over 1 week we've gone from zero to this. We don't ever see this--we barely see this many flu patients all YEAR.

Not only are you wrong, but you're now being willfully blind. Facts Matter et al were wrong in January and now ya'll are just pathetically blind. Or possibly just stupid. Pick one.

Last I checked, sticking an ET tube in a dead person doesn't work, that would mean those people in your ICU are alive. How is itI wrong that the flu KILLS more people than COVID-19 when 23,000 people are DEAD from the flu and 485 are DEAD from COVID-19? BTW 3000 of those flu deaths happened since the first post, which is 6 times the amount of deaths from COVID-19 in the same time frame.

Glad you find that "hilarious."

And please don't give me projections, give me facts.

Cool story bro, problem is no one of any significance is buying it.

Rachel1 wrote:

Cool story bro, problem is no one of any significance is buying it.

You are correct, my numbers were wrong. It is 7,000 people that died from the flu since this thread started which would be over 14 time the amount of COVID-19.

Sampson wrote:

Amazing, simply amazing, to see the "flu is worse" or "it's fine stop panicking" people still at it. This thread started in January!

The number one thing people who don't understand a problem do, is to claim there isn't a problem. That way, they don't have to admit they don't understand it; they can pretend everyone else is stupid for understanding something they don't. It's what fuels conspiracy theories, anti-vaxxers, and 3.4 of LetsRun threads.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Smorbun wrote:

You are an idiot. I mean Grade A Idiot.

You are mad, because someone is disputing something you want to be mad about. Admit it! You want a deadly plague so you can be mad. You're sick.

This is how fear/disaster porn works. When all this is over, there will be a mass shooting somewhere, and they'll be MAD... explain that gun violence isn't actually increasing and they'll get MAD... that is the real disease here. Mass psychosis.

You and your flu numbers disciples like dunesy are missing the whole point. The actual risk is not what matters, it's the perception of the risk.

After the Boeing max 737 crashes the risk of flying on any other plane had not changed, yet more people were afraid to fly. We are not rational beings. We have empathy toward others based on their fears. The media does not make us this way. It's not something that is separate from society. You say it's a disease, but it just reflects in integral part of our nature.

No one really cares about the flu numbers, or heart attacks or auto accidents. That has no bearing on our reaction and has no basis for government decision making. All of the people like Just the Facts are wasting their time. No one will be convinced by their arguments that the coronavirus is not a real threat. And they are positioning themselves as impartial or objective when it's clear they are just as emotionally invested in their pov as everyone else. Otherwise, they would have stopped posting a long time ago.