Congrats birdwatcher & great race dark wave!!
Sorry to hear about your injury coach Jeff.
I am very sore today. At 22.5 I was getting worried my left foot started cramping. Took a drink of my tail wind and it went away. After 25 all I could think about was getting to the finish line.
Gordon Tremeshko wrote:
Bruin1996 wrote:
I just wish there was a sub-2:40 pace group at London this year.
I heard they were planning on having a giraffe pace sub 2:40 this year at London, just as soon as he figures out how to convert min/mi into min/km.
You heard right. And no worries Bruin. I’m pretty sure the English use the English system.
Male, 29, 5'11", 174lbs
PRs: 17:55 (2019) 1:30:25 (2017)
Goal Race TBD
M- 6.5 miles easy
T- 6.5 miles easy
W- 6.5 miles easy
Th-6.1 miles easy
F- 4 miles really easy
Sat - rest
Sun- 2 miles 1200 at 6:30 pace.
Just getting back into mileage and trying to do easy runs every day. got busy saturday and decided to use it as a rest day. most mileage ive done in a week in a long time. Gonna try and see how consistent I can be.
Great job everyone else. I have always loved reading these threads and thought I would finally join in one.
hhw: Hope to get more serious about the April half in the next week. I was tinkering with something going on in my calf and it seems to be clearing up. Taking this week to make sure. I'm intending to get to workouts, but I feel that if all I do this winter is 60+mpw with a long run, I will still see significant improvement over the same half last year.
jot quill wrote:
GB: 3 hours at the climbing gym! Sounds like a blast. How well do you feel climbing works with running? I did some bouldering back a few years ago but was not running at the time and really enjoyed the sport
I think climbing is good for running, or at least good for my running. Its always a great core and upper body workout, and can be a strength workout for legs.
Years ago I practically lived at the campus rock wall. I'm getting back into it lately because I just can't stay interested in weights. Once you get past the initial shock to the forearms, there's a lot of yoga-esque core tension, and holding strange poses to isolate a movement. I just try not to do the move called a heel hook too often, which is what it sounds like and strikes me as hazardous to a runner's Achilles.
GB: Very interesting point about comparing it to yoga esque position holding. And yeah gotta imagine the core work would be great! Agree that it's a ton more fun than weights. Haha oh yeah heel hooks definitely could be risky for the runner. Thanks for the insight on this one! Really makes me want to go climbing at least once this year
Guy Broman wrote:
hhw: Hope to get more serious about the April half in the next week. I was tinkering with something going on in my calf and it seems to be clearing up. Taking this week to make sure. I'm intending to get to workouts, but I feel that if all I do this winter is 60+mpw with a long run, I will still see significant improvement over the same half last year.
jot quill wrote:
GB: 3 hours at the climbing gym! Sounds like a blast. How well do you feel climbing works with running? I did some bouldering back a few years ago but was not running at the time and really enjoyed the sport
You can get jacked on static holds... i.e. Male gymnasts .. dudes have massive arms etc from body weight holds
I think climbing is good for running, or at least good for my running. Its always a great core and upper body workout, and can be a strength workout for legs.
Years ago I practically lived at the campus rock wall. I'm getting back into it lately because I just can't stay interested in weights. Once you get past the initial shock to the forearms, there's a lot of yoga-esque core tension, and holding strange poses to isolate a movement. I just try not to do the move called a heel hook too often, which is what it sounds like and strikes me as hazardous to a runner's Achilles.
runrincerepeat wrote:
Guy Broman wrote:
hhw: Hope to get more serious about the April half in the next week. I was tinkering with something going on in my calf and it seems to be clearing up. Taking this week to make sure. I'm intending to get to workouts, but I feel that if all I do this winter is 60+mpw with a long run, I will still see significant improvement over the same half last year.
You can get jacked on static holds... i.e. Male gymnasts .. dudes have massive arms etc from body weight holds
I think climbing is good for running, or at least good for my running. Its always a great core and upper body workout, and can be a strength workout for legs.
Years ago I practically lived at the campus rock wall. I'm getting back into it lately because I just can't stay interested in weights. Once you get past the initial shock to the forearms, there's a lot of yoga-esque core tension, and holding strange poses to isolate a movement. I just try not to do the move called a heel hook too often, which is what it sounds like and strikes me as hazardous to a runner's Achilles.
I screwed that up.
You can get jacked on static holds... i.e. Male gymnasts .. dudes have massive arms etc from
body weight
holds
angryjohnny wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
Dumb question for those with Garmins but it is bugging me.
How seriously do you take the "training status" and "training load" determinations by Garmin?
I was in the shower today and flipping through some screens and noticed my training status flipped from productive to peaking. I took yesterday off which decreased my overall 7 day training load but my last 7 days have still been 14/8/6/16/8/0/10 all at a pretty good clip with some quality. I know this is just some arbitrary value ascribed by a watch but it still gave me a what the hell moment! I assume the very slightly reduced mileage + recently lower heart rates due to cold weather (and hopefully some increased fitness) are sending the load number plummeting and causing this to flip over. Either way, how much do you guys pay attention to this stuff?
None
I really have to wonder why Garmin even offers this other than as a marketing ploy. It's reported Overtraining despite running virtually no workouts without cranking up the volume.
Then it reported Detraining after running actual workouts.
Not only that but the Race Predictor has me at sub 16 minute 5K and a 2:32 marathon both of which are beyond ridiculous for what I'm capable of.
angryjohnny wrote:
Do share. Humor is always welcome.
Ok so this is probably more cringe worthy than humorous. It starts on Thursday when a thrombosed hemorrhoid pops up. Basically a clot forms in a blood vessel and it becomes blocked, pressure builds, and it swells up. It is generally uncomfortable and then inconvenient when it is time for a BM. Not a big deal. I've had this in the past and it usually begins to improve after a week or so. Fast forward to Sunday. I'm thinking that after I take care of my morning BM I will go out for a run. In the process of taking care of business I notice that I am bleeding and I am not talking about a trace amount of blood on the TP. There is a quite a bit of blood on the TP and I am dripping into the toilet. I figured that the source of the bleeding is probably upstream from the clot and therefore probably not going to stop without some medical intervention. I make a pad out of TP and wedge it in my crack hope for the best while I fix myself breakfast and do a little research about my situation. Research indicates that letting the bleeding go for too long an lead to anemia so that is concerning. Needless to say that my daily run was scratched from the daily agenda. An hour goes by and I check to see if the bleeding has improved, but it has not. I let my wife know that I would be going to the ER and headed up the shower to clean up and wash all of the blood off my bottom. Unfortunately, I did not plan out the shower situation in advance. I fiinsh the shower but I am still bleeding and I don't want to get blood on the towel or bath mat. Fortunately, the TP is within reach so I was able to make another TP pad and wedge it in the crack. At some point my wife suggests that I could use a pad. I decline, not out of any sort of embarrassment at the thought of using a feminine hygiene product but because I had already thought about it and decided I would rather drop the flushable TP in the toilet rather than place a rather bloody pad in the trash for various reasons. I honestly don't know hoe my bleeding compares, but I suspect that it was more than you average menstrual flow. At least that was my thought at the time.
ER Visit
My wife offers to keep me company for the ER visit and I tell her that I hate to see her waste her time with me at the ER and let her now that it was not necessary. Bless her heart because she opted to keep me company during the ER visit. I'm guessing that early Sunday morning might be a slow time at the ER. Shortly after I finish registration I am taken back to a room and a nurse gets the vitals. It is not long before the doctor shows. He has me roll over on my side, removes the TP pad, and checks the situation. He tells me that he will need to drain it and remove the clots and then leaves the room. Now I am sitting there without anything to soak up the blood, but I figured that the doctor would be back soon. A nurse shows up with a vial of lidocaine so I figure the doctor was not too far behind. That was not the case and after a while of waiting I lift my a$$ off the table and find that yeah there is now a blood stain on the table. I then ask my wife to get me some paper towels from the dispenser on the wall. I put one paper towel between me and the blood spot on the table and the other I wedged in my crack. I guess the doctor was either filling in forms or taking care of another patient. After a while he shows up and is ready to take care of business. The doctor informs me that that the numbing shots are going to hurt when he inserts the needle and it will burn when he pushes in the injection and that I should not move in the process. He also tells me that he is going to tell me what he is going to do before he does it. So there I am face down on the table and and he proceeds to start the injections. I will have to give him credit for being a man of his word because wow did that hurt as he said. After he finishes some injections I thought he was done, but then he says, "Now I need to do the other side." What?!? After several painful injections I am trembling from the pain of the injections. Then it is time to take care of the problem and he tells me that I will feel some pressure. After the pain of the injection I am quite apprehensive about that is next in fear that the I was not numb enough. Again true to his word the doctor made two incisions and removed two clots and all I felt was pressure. The doctor did tell me that he would pack something or other which as best I understood is that he would insert gauze or something in the incisions. This translates into the fact that I need to have a followup visit very soon with a specialist or someone else that can take care of the packing and overall situation. Surprisingly the total time spent at the ER was something like 90min. I do have to mention that this ER is not attached to hospital and I think that most people go to the ER at the nearest hospital rather than this other ER. This probably helped in reducing the time I spent at the ER.
Specialist Visit
Not long after the they open on Monday morning I called the office of a Specialist to get me in for an appointment and they are able to squeeze me in with the regular appointments for the day. Not much to mention here other than that during the visit the doctor had to take care of the packing. He did mention that it was something that he would not do and that is probably why I was in as much pain as I was. So he examined things and proceeded to remove the packing. I will tell you that the pain that I experienced when he removed the packing was probably more intense but shorter in duration in total then the injections from the previous day. Ouch! I have a followup in a few weeks to find out what's next. The doctor was pretty quick with me on this visit probably because I was not a regularly scheduled appointment.
SI -- last fall one of my coworkers came to me and told me he was going to the ER for something that sounded similar to what you were describing; I didn't see him again for six weeks. He ended up going for emergency surgery that day because it had become an abscess. It did not heal well and he had more surgery and was out for another six weeks.
Be glad you went in before it turned into "you are going in for surgery right away sir".
SI - that's brutal! Hang in there! Hope you heal up quickly.
I forgot to mention that the ER doctor told me that he does one of these a week and most of time it is men and usually a weight lifter. I guess this is more common then I realized. Normally I associate hemorrhoid problems with women and pregnancy. I guess guys are much less likely to talk about it.
I fairly certain that I will be having some amount of surgery for this both to prevent future occurrences and to correct some of the damage that has been done. I was planning on consulting with a specialist after Chicago 2020 to see what the options are, but now I'll have to see what he says at the follow up appointment.
Damn SI. That sounds like a rough weekend.
On behalf of the entire Chicago 2020 marathon field, I hope you get it taken care of soon.
Geez SI.
There is some perspective. I thought I was having a bad day...
Here's too a quick and painless (from here on out) recovery!
GT: You have issued the challenge. Fastest runner dressed as a giraffe to pace the 2:40 pace group to get in the Guinness Book of World Records. Would put the pressure on us also.. we can’t fall behind a giraffe.
I used a Hot Shot to help with hamstring cramps at CIM and as a result ran just 9 seconds slower than my PR. Is Tailwind better for in-race cramps compared to Hot Shot?
Tailwind is a calorie/nutrition drink a la maurten etc ... I like it myself vs gatorade or much of the others as it sits easy on my gut.
but its not like an anti cramp shot. I think the best shot for in race cramps is Patron.
SI: Oof, yikes man. Best wishes going forward.
Runner Sam: Congrats on being able to do a 50k on so little training.
runrincerepeat wrote:
Tailwind is a calorie/nutrition drink a la maurten etc ... I like it myself vs gatorade or much of the others as it sits easy on my gut.
but its not like an anti cramp shot. I think the best shot for in race cramps is Patron.
Patron is the best shot for any in-race ailment. :D
Rested on Tues. and Thur. and ran today after PT. I can still feel it in the glute some, but it felt well enough to pull this off...6.5 at 6:24 overall, a full progression of 7:11, 6:53, 6:41, 6:16, 6:03, 5:44, 2:51. My best effort in a while, and it has really picked up my spirits.
It may be too soon to post this, but man I am feeling it and am thinking that “Freedom!” is on the horizon. Just love the energy and pace of this tune, and it was playing in my mind the whole time I ran...