As a libertarian, I believe that Jim Walmsley is an embarrassment to our sport and should not be allowed to compete on the roads under any circumstance.
As a libertarian, I believe that Jim Walmsley is an embarrassment to our sport and should not be allowed to compete on the roads under any circumstance.
He’s a dark horse for a top 10 spot, top 3? No chance. 2024 will be his time if he keeps at it.
Shunpo wrote:
He’s a dark horse for a top 10 spot, top 3? No chance. 2024 will be his time if he keeps at it.
No way. Jim will never be a top marathon runner ever.
We’re talking about CJ Albertson
Anybody can win on any given day. Hopefully, he shows up healthy and sticks to the plan. Anything could happen. Look at the Boston Marathon when Desi won.
Bottom line is, You just don't know.
Lydiard seemed to have success with high volume along with other great coaches.
Wish him all the best. I think he could qualify.
Like Brian Sell did.
No, not anybody can win on any given day. That's just BS.
Desi Linden won Boston because the weather was really bad AND she was a world class marathon runner with a best of 2:22.
Brian Sell was a classic Marathon runner with sub 2:11 times.
Jim Walmsley's running career is not on a similar path. And Jim has yet to run a real Marathon race.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
That is the context. Have you every run 400m intervals at 10k pace? It is beyond easy. 2 miles at HM also isn't exactly pushing it. These aren't the workouts of someone you expect to be running sub 210 at the end of next month.
You’re missing the context
Care to post the workouts of any other sub2:10 marathoner who is running workouts this easy? And no hobby jogging another 20 mile doesn't change the context. History is filled with people that thinking running another 20 miles will make a difference or break them through to the next level. It rarely happens.
Another 6 or so weeks and it will all be clear.
dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
You’re missing the context
Care to post the workouts of any other sub2:10 marathoner who is running workouts this easy? And no hobby jogging another 20 mile doesn't change the context. History is filled with people that thinking running another 20 miles will make a difference or break them through to the next level. It rarely happens.
Another 6 or so weeks and it will all be clear.
The easy 400s make sense as a way to ease into that pace coming from ultras without causing a lot of stress. He's only, what, a week into starting faster repeats?
As for other athletes, people were taking about Jo Fukuda last week as a super high mileage guy, tons of 150, tons of near 200, even one 249 mile week last year. He ran 2:09 a month ago. Here's an unimpressive workout 5-6 weeks out from that in the link below. Most of his easy runs, the bulk of his mileage, are 7:xx and 8:xx pace. Even saw some 9:xx pace flat medium length runs. Of course also had some impressive workouts. But if you want to look at one workout in isolation, like this Walmsley one, then here you go.
Walmsley will work into faster workouts in the next 5 weeks. This one was not impressive. It's just beginning, first week or so(?), of doing repeats that he wouldn't have done in his ultra training. Walmsley even called it "meh" on the activity. No point jumping the gun in saying his training is bad or good at this point.
https://www.strava.com/activities/2802207253And here's a 2:10:01 guy, just ran that a month ago too. Lots of easy runs 9:xx pace, spent 5he summer cycling, some impressive workouts, some not that much.
wait wtf i just looked at his wikipedia page and he's young?? i swear he was old as hell, wtf
we just shifted universes wrote:
wait wtf i just looked at his wikipedia page and he's young?? i swear he was old as hell, wtf
You must have confused him and maybe combined his accomplishments in your mind with Rob Krar (who is Canadian).
Walmsley fan here. Training has been impressive and I think he could potentially be a 2:10-2:14 guy. I'm concerned he's going to show up either injured or overcooked though, ruining a chance to show what he can do at the marathon and ruin a chance to run with the best road ultra guys at Comrades.
But good for him that he had the balls to shoot for the moon.
zzzz wrote:
The easy 400s make sense as a way to ease into that pace coming from ultras without causing a lot of stress. He's only, what, a week into starting faster repeats?
As for other athletes, people were taking about Jo Fukuda last week as a super high mileage guy, tons of 150, tons of near 200, even one 249 mile week last year. He ran 2:09 a month ago. Here's an unimpressive workout 5-6 weeks out from that in the link below. Most of his easy runs, the bulk of his mileage, are 7:xx and 8:xx pace. Even saw some 9:xx pace flat medium length runs. Of course also had some impressive workouts. But if you want to look at one workout in isolation, like this Walmsley one, then here you go.
Walmsley will work into faster workouts in the next 5 weeks. This one was not impressive. It's just beginning, first week or so(?), of doing repeats that he wouldn't have done in his ultra training. Walmsley even called it "meh" on the activity. No point jumping the gun in saying his training is bad or good at this point.
https://www.strava.com/activities/2802207253
So we agree this workout isn't remotely impressive. Where are the impressive ones? Where are any that suggest a guy that is going to be running sub 2:12? As far as I can tell they don't exist.
No way he makes noise.
Dnf’
Jim just wants to run a marathon that's it. These people who are saying he is out to win or get a Olympic spot know nothing about the dude. This just happens to fit before he goes for Comrades .
Hoka athlete. He's giving up 2 minutes to the Nike athletes before he even starts. He should be happy with a 2:15
runderun wrote:
Hoka athlete. He's giving up 2 minutes to the Nike athletes before he even starts. He should be happy with a 2:15
maybe he has the new prototype already. Hoka is launching a lighter carbon plate shoe this year.
He ran 64 off of less than ideal training and on Hokas. You have to wonder how much faster he'd be if he made the marathon his focus and had better shoes. 61' and 2:12'?
reed wrote:
Shunpo wrote:
It’ll be interesting to see how he does off this unorthodox type of training but he simply doesn’t have the speed to compete. A 1:04:00 Half isn’t going to get you anywhere with guys who can run under 1:05 twice in a row. I’ll be genuinely impressed if he cracks top 10.
you have to consider the context of his 64:00. ran that half last year coming off mountain/ultra training and did maybe 5 weeks of workouts. it was his debut half marathon. he should be able to perform better in 26.2 than 13.1.
you shouldn't be surprised if he ends up top ten, in any case. lots of guys drop out of the trials, but Jim probably never had high hopes of being top three and he has a lot to prove by gutting out a 7th or 8th place finish. he won't drop.
in 2007 in NYC (unsure how tough the course was but Hall still ran 2:09) 10th place was Jason Hartmann in 2:15, who had run 63low for a half that year and a 44min 15k. in 2012 it took 2:12 for 10th but with great conditions in Houston.
now...in 2016 in bad conditions in LA, 2:16 got 10th but the difference between 1st and 4th was massive...2:11 to 2:14. so If conditions are bad in Atlanta and the course is as hard as we expect it to be, there will be massive attrition after the top 3 or 4 guys. A conservative race by any 2:11-2:12 guy could result in a top 5 easily. Maybe Jim gets in 212-2:13 shape (for this course). easily snags 7th or 8th.
+2
I came here for the comments but was happy to see your balanced view point in this thread of hoopla..
If the numbers are accurate, the ATL course has 1,000+ feet of climb throughout 26.2, and with JW's ultra base line and foot speed, Idk why some believe he is just going to implode?
The 1:04 flat to me was incredible, he paced to the millisecond, after 5 weeks of specific training in the HM, a totally different threshold than even 26.2. Going to be a lot of sour feelings come March 1. Get your popcorn ready..
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