Holy **** - The Vaporflys just broke the Hakone Ekiden. 4 teams break CRs, 1 guys run 58:35 half marathon pace for 21.4 km

boing, boing... a disgrace.

We'll run out of asterisks to attach to all these times at this rate. The sooner these things are banned the better.

Time for emergency podcast on the subject?

No one is putting an asterisk on any of the records. Grow up.

Holy wow. I thought the Japanese all wore Japan-only racing flats by Asics or Mizuno such as the Sortie Magic and that sort of suited their running action which seemed less "bouncy" than the Africans and Europeans. I am amazed that the Japanese are now also using the vaporfly's. This is unprecendented in shoe technology; it's a total global takeover by Nike in shoe performance enhancement. I am almost tempted to try them myself ....

sortie magics wrote:

Holy wow. I thought the Japanese all wore Japan-only racing flats by Asics or Mizuno such as the Sortie Magic and that sort of suited their running action which seemed less "bouncy" than the Africans and Europeans. I am amazed that the Japanese are now also using the vaporfly's. This is unprecendented in shoe technology; it's a total global takeover by Nike in shoe performance enhancement. I am almost tempted to try them myself ....

Those shoes were on par with the streaks and adios adizero in terms of time they'd produce. The Japanese preferred them, true, but time trumps all. There will never be a pro or top college runner who runs in anything but nike unless he's sponsored by some other company any more. If I were the other companies, I'd stop trying to make the #2 shoes and get these things out of competition, but I think its already too late. Boing boing

ooper wrote:

boing, boing... a disgrace.

We'll run out of asterisks to attach to all these times at this rate. The sooner these things are banned the better.

It reminds me of the period when the shark suits were being used by professional swimmers and records were tumbling. It became ridiculous and they were banned, I can imagine the same will happen here.

Clap skates obliterated all the previous records, and they have not been banned. So get used to it.

I guess we should go look for cinder track records.

All records need to be hand timed.

Evolve your sport or die. These shoes are an evolution of racing just like what I mentioned above.

Yeah, Yegon ran his track 10000 PR x 2. It makes Kipchoge and Bekele's times suspect when compared to historical ones.

Interestingly the winning team was wearing Adidas outfits and changed into Adidas shoes before their post-race interviews, but they wore VFs like almost everyone else. I saw a few runners wearing what looked like the NB 5280, but the vast majority were in VFs despite many of them wearing shorts and singlet from another brand like Mizuno.

Bob schul country wrote:

These shoes are an evolution of racing just like what I mentioned above.

You have only posted once in this thread.

so the new shoe tech makes you faster. we've known it a while now.

i don't understand why people are still so amazed by this.

records broken in a tailwind somewhere in the world, ok it must be the shoes.

records dropping all over the place on the track too, that must also be the shoes - oh wait, they weren't wearing "fly" shoes were they.

Try this: if these shoes are making everyone run crazy fast halves, put them in a track 10,000 and let's see if 26:17 gets threatened.

Bad Wigins wrote:

records broken in a tailwind somewhere in the world, ok it must be the shoes.

records dropping all over the place on the track too, that must also be the shoes - oh wait, they weren't wearing "fly" shoes were they.

Try this: if these shoes are making everyone run crazy fast halves, put them in a track 10,000 and let's see if 26:17 gets threatened.

It'll happen in Tokyo this year. What will you say then when five guys in VF run under 26:30 in the same championship 10,000m?

Are you sure that the winner ran in vaporfies? Isn't he with Adidas?

https://twitter.com/IkaikaSports/status/1212489635772821504?s=19

Do you have any photos from the race?

Alll wrote:

Are you sure that the winner ran in vaporfies? Isn't he with Adidas?

https://twitter.com/IkaikaSports/status/1212489635772821504?s=19

Do you have any photos from the race?

Did you read any of the posts on this thread?

glaukos wrote:

Interestingly the winning team was wearing Adidas outfits and changed into Adidas shoes before their post-race interviews, but they wore VFs like almost everyone else. I saw a few runners wearing what looked like the NB 5280, but the vast majority were in VFs despite many of them wearing shorts and singlet from another brand like Mizuno.

Bad Wigins wrote:

records broken in a tailwind somewhere in the world, ok it must be the shoes.

records dropping all over the place on the track too, that must also be the shoes - oh wait, they weren't wearing "fly" shoes were they.

Try this: if these shoes are making everyone run crazy fast halves, put them in a track 10,000 and let's see if 26:17 gets threatened.

Actually, they were using two prototype "fly" spiked shoes all summer.

I like this site a lot, but seriously, all this free marketing for Nike shoes remains incredible annoying and should be stopped immediately. It's very easy to say the shoes did all the work when actually nearly everyone was wearing them. Nevertheless on day 2 some nobody broke a long-standing CR wearing apparently NB shoes, so what's the explanation all those Nike fanboys have to offer on this case?:

and when Soka anchor Yudai Shimazu started he was 55 seconds behind. Almost in a blink he was way up on course record pace. It was almost suicidal, a total unknown from a minor program, not even in the Nikes, going where no one had ever gone on the 23.0 km anchor stage.

Also on the world stage we saw no-vaporfly times like Stephen Kiprop 58:42 or Sheila Chepkirui and Dorcas Kimeli both sub30 this year (all three total nobodies before), it's not like all suprising fast times can be attributed to some shoe.

Were these non VF times in the NB prototype shoe? If so we could attribute the time to the shoe, but it means that we're finally starting to see actual competition with the VF.