Why do people think that Tinman is overrated?

dgjiobdhoo wrote:

mariusbakkendotcom wrote:

I would say because after an initial improvement in their fitness (from the increase in threshold work), his runners generally plateau. See: the Ping sisters, the Loudon Valley team (thank god for transfers, huh?), the tall Texas kid that qualified for Footlocker Bats each year but has barely improved, etc. Even Hunter has plateaued now.

This isn’t true. TME guys have nearly all improved year after year with a Tinman, including Hunter.

Because they are living at altitude now.

That may be true after the first year.... but you stop gaining physiological benefits from altitude acclimation. The improvements year after year are due to other reasons than simply “living at altitude”

so wrong wrote:

That may be true after the first year.... but you stop gaining physiological benefits from altitude acclimation. The improvements year after year are due to other reasons than simply “living at altitude”

Yeah, but pretty much anyone who trains consistently improves year after year.

I think the main thing is finding a coach you like and training that fits you personally. If you are happy and motivated by the coach and the training, you will most likely work harder and get better results. I don't think the specifics of the workouts matter as much.

Put 5~7 competitive young dudes in a house and have them all train together.. by nature they're gonna get super fast when they just eat, sleep and breathe running together as a group.

mariusbakkendotcom wrote:

Bitman wrote:

Because most of his runners are injured now.

I would say because after an initial improvement in their fitness (from the increase in threshold work), his runners generally plateau. See: the Ping sisters, the Loudon Valley team (thank god for transfers, huh?), the tall Texas kid that qualified for Footlocker Bats each year but has barely improved, etc. Even Hunter has plateaued now.

Marius Bakken was the first to popularize the heavy LT / threshold training here on LRC in the early 2000s. Tubman just repackaged it.

The question is- with his runners finishing behind so many other runners- at all respective levels- why is he getting any attention at all? It’s very strange.

I notice no one has addressed any of the clear examples of non-improvement yet.

Please enlighten us as to what you believe the "non-improvements" are

Lactate kills wrote:

mariusbakkendotcom wrote:

I would say because after an initial improvement in their fitness (from the increase in threshold work), his runners generally plateau. See: the Ping sisters, the Loudon Valley team (thank god for transfers, huh?), the tall Texas kid that qualified for Footlocker Bats each year but has barely improved, etc. Even Hunter has plateaued now.

Marius Bakken was the first to popularize the heavy LT / threshold training here on LRC in the early 2000s. Tubman just repackaged it.

The question is- with his runners finishing behind so many other runners- at all respective levels- why is he getting any attention at all? It’s very strange.

I notice no one has addressed any of the clear examples of non-improvement yet.

It has already been addressed at the end of the first page.

I can't stand Tinman. Anyone else?