Dyestat Drama - Dudek ranked #1a and Tuohy ranked #1b

Dumb move by dyestat.

agreed.....thats such a weasle move....just lost all respect for that site.

And that's not trying to slag Dudek at all....girl was awesome this year!!

If they race this next season they should get "1a" and"1b" bibs.

YMMV wrote:

If they race this next season they should get "1a" and"1b" bibs.

+1a

I saw one joking comment from Tuohy on Splitmile about the diss track post. LOL.

Maybe they were looking for clickbait but that said Dyestat's decision was laughable. Tuohy became the first 3x NXN champion in history, was undefeated (Dudek lost), and it was not as if Dudek was running these massive record times all year. Tuohy also had better speed rating all season, even with the inflated numbers from FL. Whatever.

That said what's with some of these running sites and Tuohy? It is just weird vibes all around. Dare I say even misogynistic. They just can't seem to give her credit or appreciate her accomplishments, and seem to root against her.

astro wrote:

That said what's with some of these running sites and Tuohy? It is just weird vibes all around. Dare I say even misogynistic. They just can't seem to give her credit or appreciate her accomplishments, and seem to root against her.

I’ve noticed this too. One off day and they treat her like she burned out. Maybe this treatment will end up fueling her. I’m from the Midwest so I should be all about Dudek, but Tuohy has definitely demonstrated over and over again that she is in a whole different stratosphere. No disrespect to Dudek. They are both great runners.

To those comparing Tuohy’s win over Ewert with Dudek’s, you can’t. Different race, different conditions... Ewert didn’t look as strong at FL as she did at NXN. That doesn’t mean anything other than these are high school human beings who have stronger days and days they struggle just like we all do. Simple.

The 1a/1b thing is stupid.

you're right wrote:

YMMV wrote:

If they race this next season they should get "1a" and"1b" bibs.

+1a

+1b

Dudek won Nationals.

Tuohy won B-list baby nats.

Adol C wrote:

Dudek won Nationals.

Tuohy won B-list baby nats.

LOL...….that's won't trigger anyone here at all!

Adol C wrote:

Dudek won Nationals.

Tuohy won B-list baby nats.

Seems to me since the 2 best runners in the country.....Tuohy and Young were at NXN, you have the above wrong....and it has been that way for the last several years.

NXN would be the true national championship and FL would be the B race now.

astro wrote:

That said what's with some of these running sites and Tuohy? It is just weird vibes all around. Dare I say even misogynistic. They just can't seem to give her credit or appreciate her accomplishments, and seem to root against her.

These sites are supposed to provide unbiased opinions...'expert' commentary...

Since the two didn't race this year, they have to look at statistical data...Is there any data reference that puts Dudek above or equal to Tuohy?

Tuohy was unbeaten

Tuohy had a larger avgerage margin of victory

Tuohy had the highest single speed rating

Tuohy had the highest average speed rating

If Dyestat has any credibility they would post their analysis

I really don't get how people call NXN baby nats

I prefer Footlocker but objectivley NXN has more comp and is more like NCAA

Dudek was the National Champion and 5th at European Junior XC.

That trumps Tuohy in 2019, no bones about it.

Jedsdead wrote:

astro wrote:

That said what's with some of these running sites and Tuohy? It is just weird vibes all around. Dare I say even misogynistic. They just can't seem to give her credit or appreciate her accomplishments, and seem to root against her.

These sites are supposed to provide unbiased opinions...'expert' commentary...

Since the two didn't race this year, they have to look at statistical data...Is there any data reference that puts Dudek above or equal to Tuohy?

Tuohy was unbeaten

Tuohy had a larger avgerage margin of victory

Tuohy had the highest single speed rating

Tuohy had the highest average speed rating

If Dyestat has any credibility they would post their analysis

I actually think Dyestat might be right but benefit of the doubt has to go to Tuohy. You can’t take the belt until you beat the reigning champion and that’s just how life is.

Number mans wrote:

Jedsdead wrote:

These sites are supposed to provide unbiased opinions...'expert' commentary...

Since the two didn't race this year, they have to look at statistical data...Is there any data reference that puts Dudek above or equal to Tuohy?

Tuohy was unbeaten

Tuohy had a larger average margin of victory

Tuohy had the highest single speed rating

Tuohy had the highest average speed rating

If Dyestat has any credibility they would post their analysis

I actually think Dyestat might be right but benefit of the doubt has to go to Tuohy. You can’t take the belt until you beat the reigning champion and that’s just how life is.

I really like Dudek...she had an awesome year. And maybe a race with her against Tuohy would be closer than I think it would be (I consider Dudek to be equal to Chmiel in her senior year).

But Dyestat is supposed to be ranking these runners from an unbiased viewpoint... there are several statistical areas that Tuohy beat Dudek this year. Are there any categories that had Dudek ahead of Tuohy?

Anyways...this just seems like a bit of a shot at Tuohy which I just don't understand from a running website. Regardless though, it's a meaningless ranking list...nothing to waste much time on.

This really is not worth arguing about. Dyestat usually does a good job with these things but sometimes they come up with things that look strange. This is probably a "bail out" where they did not want to choose. The ranking as they say is heavily based on the championship performance and Dudek clearly ran very well and won there.

The Gatorade selection will be more interesting to me. They seem to be more tied to NXN but we will see.

I mean yes and no. It isn't worth arguing over, and yet if the larger scheme of things if it helps set a consensus and it affects actual awards further down the road then it is. At that point they needed to have some data point or concrete basis to make their judgment. And 1b implies a lower ranking. I mean Tuohy went undefeated and pulled off an historic feat. Dudek had a fine season but in the run up to FL she was not being touted as a big favorite. She had lost at FL regional, barely beat Hart at NXN regional, and was not viewed as being as big a threat as Starliper. It was not as if Dudek was having some record breaking season or was matching Tuohy all year SR for SR. She had a very nice FL race, but how can anyone compare different races in completely different conditions, especially when several competitors pulled double duty at NXN and FL? I mean Hart was 50th at NXN. And my issues with the speed rating at FL aside, she beat Starliper by one second after Starliper lost by 17 seconds at NXN. If she blew the field away like Cuffe did then OK, but she didn't.

Just seemed like they went out of their way to find a reason to demote Tuohy.

Then again it generated interest.

Better competition up front at foot locker and a more dominant win. Also produced a higher speed rating. Without mentioning her body of work over 3 years you can not beat that argument.