La Salle University Women's Soccer Hazing Claims Blown out of Proportion?

Just reposting this for the idiocy of it.

Is this how you make your own decisions about what to eat? "Oh, I don't anticipate doing anything particularly strenuous today, so I'm cool with just having a cracker and an orange slice for lunch in the middle of a busy day where I won't have time to grab anything else to eat"? Maybe that is how you thing, but just know that this isn't really normal and most people wouldn't accept having it pushed on them.

And I wouldn't really consider making sure everyone has a sandwich to be wining and dining. If you've decided to field a team and you can afford to travel, you can feed all your athletes. Even the walk-ons. An actual meal during a day of competition isn't some kind of luxury item to be reserved for the elite.

Most CEO's and presidents I know usually try and be towards the end of the line or last served in a luncheon or some similiar event. It's a good gesture to those who work under you.

No one at the top I've met is a jerk who partakes in that behavior. The workplace is not a sports team and people will not respect and work hard for you if you pull that crap.

While this doesn’t sound like true hazing, it definitely sounds like a sh*tty team environment. I played college soccer and we were never treated like that as freshman. No balls kicked at us, no cleaning up other people’s trash and definitelynot getting leftover food. The only thing we sometimes had to do was carry bags or equipment out to the field. I am wondering if other freshmanon this team feel the same way?

Klo89 wrote:

While this doesn’t sound like true hazing, it definitely sounds like a sh*tty team environment. I played college soccer and we were never treated like that as freshman. No balls kicked at us, no cleaning up other people’s trash and definitelynot getting leftover food. The only thing we sometimes had to do was carry bags or equipment out to the field. I am wondering if other freshmanon this team feel the same way?

Considering the race of the girl complaining, I wonder if this has more to do with misinterpretation of being singled out due to race more than any true grievances. And that this complaint is is being used to mask the real issue: feeling singled out due to race.

Sorry if I didn't grow up "soft" like the majority on this thread...

zxcvzcvx wrote:

Just reposting this for the idiocy of it.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

They were left food, just not as much, hence scraps. For example, if a meat, fruit and cracker tray was served the seniors got dibs on all of the meat. If any was left over, the freshman split the remaining or they just eat fruit and crackers...That's hardly any different than being in a corporation where the executives get the bigger and better portions at company luncheons. Executives might get a full breakfast while lower rung people get donuts and fruit.

You're on the same team but seniority brings with it added privileges.

Only in the First World is the stuff described in this story hazing....

Elvin wrote:

And I wouldn't really consider making sure everyone has a sandwich to be wining and dining. If you've decided to field a team and you can afford to travel, you can feed all your athletes. Even the walk-ons. An actual meal during a day of competition isn't some kind of luxury item to be reserved for the elite.

I was born and raised in the Pork and Bean projects in miami. There is nothing soft about me. They were being provided food, just not filet mignon....They'll live.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Elvin wrote:

And I wouldn't really consider making sure everyone has a sandwich to be wining and dining. If you've decided to field a team and you can afford to travel, you can feed all your athletes. Even the walk-ons. An actual meal during a day of competition isn't some kind of luxury item to be reserved for the elite.

I was born and raised in the Pork and Bean projects in miami. There is nothing soft about me. They were being provided food, just not filet mignon....They'll live.

You seem like someone who gains a false sense of self worth through demeaning others - you sound like an awful teammate or co-worker.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Elvin wrote:

And I wouldn't really consider making sure everyone has a sandwich to be wining and dining. If you've decided to field a team and you can afford to travel, you can feed all your athletes. Even the walk-ons. An actual meal during a day of competition isn't some kind of luxury item to be reserved for the elite.

I was born and raised in the Pork and Bean projects in miami.

So you’re saying that even your poor ass parents made sure you were able to eat ample protein.

Also, this is the strangest appeal to authority I’ve ever come across.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Sorry if I didn't grow up "soft" like the majority on this thread...

You are one of the biggest whiners on the site. You complain about your neighbors making noise. You complain about dogs barking. You are constantly on here whining about one thing or another.

You think everyone else should just toughen up when they have a problem with something, but you apply no such standard to yourself. That's about as soft as a person can be. Strong people are hard on themselves and generous in their judgement of others. You come across as quite the opposite.

Do you work for a feudal medieval lord or something? Peasant.

Ok, let's back this up a little and see if we can start from common ground.

I think it's fair to say that 'nonviolent power-differential hazing' is BS. I mean, even the university didn't or couldn't "...cite examples of the 'nonviolent power-differential hazing.' " They did list a very specific definition of hazing though: "University policy says hazing can include 'brutality of a mental nature, including activity adversely affecting the mental health or dignity of the individual, sleep deprivation, exclusion from social contact or conduct that could result in extreme embarrassment.' Had it fit this definition there would have been hell to pay.

Are we in agreement that this investigation just made the whole power-differential thing up just to fit the crime? Good, let's continue...

I'm sure the princess who found that collegiate sport wasn't what she expected it to be didn't embellish her story at all. I mean, c'mon, only left scraps? I'm sure that wasn't the case and for those who just take her word as fact - you'd do well to add a little more cynicism in your life.

As to the other claims of nonviolent power-differential hazing: Balls getting kicked at you would certainly constitute violent power-differential hazing if you were say, a runner/swimmer/chess teammate, but soccer, where balls get kicked at you whenever you're not riding the bench? No. Cleaning up the bus? How dare they! Carrying equipment? The nerve! Freshman should be offering to do this stuff. The fact that she thought she was above being helpful is probably why she was being pushed out of the team.

The coach, of 17 years, identified her as not being a fit, benched her and didn't take her on the travelling team. This whole thing smacks of entitlement and sour grapes. Not that I blame her, I be pissed too if the coach couldn't see all my wonderful talents and qualities.

Sure the coach should lighten up on these younger, more entitled athletes if he wants a future in coaching. Ultimately, he is to blame for recruiting her, so I think putting the program on probation is probably fine because there is no harm, no foul. What it will do is put the onus on the coach to be more thoughtful of the type of athlete that he will encounter over the next decade.

Likely he'll just get out of collegiate coaching and start up an age group program in an affluent neighborhood.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

I was born and raised in the Pork and Bean projects in miami. There is nothing soft about me. They were being provided food, just not filet mignon....They'll live.

Most of the people I've met from "the hood" have been insecure and incredibly mentally weak.

Also, I'm new to LetsRun, is this bartholomew guy a known troll?

What she experienced is not “hazing”. Yes, poor team environment, but no where near hazing.

I personally hate the next generations “I’m the equal of everyone” mentality. As my dad always said growing up, “the world needs ditch diggers too”. Aka, not everyone is equal. In college I carried bags for upper class men, now that I own a company my employees (by choice out of respect) carry most of the manual work load on a job site. “Let me get that for you” is something I hear on a daily basis from my guys. It’s respecting your place in the pecking order. Much like opening a door for a 90 year old. The older generations get this. Next? Not so much.

I bet this young woman will expect the pay, benefits and status of the ceo on the first day at work.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

That's hardly any different than being in a corporation where the executives get the bigger and better portions at company luncheons. Executives might get a full breakfast while lower rung people get donuts and fruit.

You're on the same team but seniority brings with it added privileges.

WTF corporation are you talking about??

I work in the corporate world, and any company serving lunch is serving it to whoever attends. The idea of a full breakfast for execs and donuts/fruit for the "lower rung" is something I have NEVER seen. Even in meetings where execs are straight-up bullying subordinates, which does happen, the idea of different food by role is not a thing.