banned i got wrote:
el K....where is coevett on this one? lolz
First of all, I'm not the OP (never post incognito). Second, what else is new? It's the Brits (aka the worst people in history) we're talking about.
banned i got wrote:
el K....where is coevett on this one? lolz
First of all, I'm not the OP (never post incognito). Second, what else is new? It's the Brits (aka the worst people in history) we're talking about.
trollism wrote:
Oliud wrote:
This is about doping allegations in the UK.
It's this, apart from the doping part.#
Which part of it is the doping?
You've got the Irish national marathon champion and Northern Irish record holder(now former) calling out Paul Pollock, suggesting Pollock's doping. He's saying, as are a number of people (according to Scullion), that there's no way Pollock's 2:10 (a 5 minute PR) in Valencia last weekend was legit. He's saying that Pollock was diagnosed with a stress fracture in September (6 weeks out). It could be argued, Pollock didn't have the time to do the training for a sub 2:20 never mind a 2:10.
You then have several senior British athletes and coaches claiming that British athletes are being encouraged to take thyroid medication by UKA officials so they can enhance performance. One of the names highlighted in the article is UKA's Chief Medical Officer. The UKA Chief Medical Officer is the brother of Paul Pollock, who just ran 2:10 and 5 minute PR after being diagnosed with a stress fracture in September. One of Ireland's top marathon runners (Scullion) has lambasted Pollock on his podcast and is calling him out. (Note: Pollock, like his brother, is a medical doctor.)
Former indoor European gold medalist, Matthew Yates, has now thrown in his middle-aged portliness to the fray. Yates is very concerned about this, as is, multiple international medallist, Jo Pavey.
Nevertheless, I think it's quite sad that despite their long-running lottery-funded, systematic doping programme, "Great" Britain has only managed midling results on the track. Talk about doping your way to the middle.
The dastardly Brits strike again. As sure as the sun will rise.
The only thing Irish about Pollock or Scullion is their green vest. Both are unionist stock out of Belfast.
Raheny1 wrote:
The only thing Irish about Pollock or Scullion is their green vest. Both are unionist stock out of Belfast.
So they just run for Ireland as the standard in Ireland is much lower than GB? Who is the best Irish marathon runner?
Mick Clohisey, Sean Hehir, Hugh Armstrong, Mark Kenneally, Gary O'Hanlon would probably be your top 5. Clohisey 2:13 guy as is Kenneally. Hugh Armstrong X- Providence Friar.
UK athletics also held a secret meeting about the use of thyroid drugs, the same time as Sleazy Sal was a consultant for them!
Stephen Scullion coming across quite bitter after seeing his NI record go (which the UA athlete ran in a pair of blacked out Nike Next% and then claimed it was all down to hard work).
All the more likely the Paul Pollock jump in performance comes from the Next% shoes rather than throwing doping accusations around. Valencia saw a huge number of sub 2:12 runs and it brings his marathon time in line with his 62:09 marathon PB from a few years back. It's not like the guy is suddenly running 2:05-6.
Itsonly210 wrote:
Stephen Scullion coming across quite bitter after seeing his NI record go (which the UA athlete ran in a pair of blacked out Nike Next% and then claimed it was all down to hard work).
All the more likely the Paul Pollock jump in performance comes from the Next% shoes rather than throwing doping accusations around. Valencia saw a huge number of sub 2:12 runs and it brings his marathon time in line with his 62:09 marathon PB from a few years back. It's not like the guy is suddenly running 2:05-6.
Yeah, he does come across as bitter. Maybe rightly so. There's no way Pollock could run 2:10 (5 min PB) after being diagnosed with a stress fracture in September. Think about it. He would have been out for at least 6 weeks and this would have left him with only 6 weeks before the race. He would have needed time to get back gradually into running and then build back up again to fitness. It just isn't plausible. I doubt Kipchoge could have done it.
What's more likely a guy with a long history in the sport, coached by Andy Hobdell who is also highly respected and frankly beyond reproach in terms of his ethical values, is doping or that his SF was misdiagnosed (which they frequently are).
Re Noel Pollock whislt its feeding time at the zoo for anyone with a grudge against governing bodies to chuck out any accusations they want I've know Noel for years and always found him to be highly professional and putting athlete welfare first. Interesting that Matt Yates is again being used for expert comment, hardly a reliable source given the grudges and bitterness that guy carries, not himself beyond questions of his own coaching and treatment of athletes. UKA have huge questions to answer in many areas but the Daily Mail article scullion refers to was very weak. Scullion likes his own voice for sure. Not the most informed voice though.
What's more likely? wrote:
What's more likely a guy with a long history in the sport, coached by Andy Hobdell who is also highly respected and frankly beyond reproach in terms of his ethical values, is doping or that his SF was misdiagnosed (which they frequently are).
Re Noel Pollock whislt its feeding time at the zoo for anyone with a grudge against governing bodies to chuck out any accusations they want I've know Noel for years and always found him to be highly professional and putting athlete welfare first. Interesting that Matt Yates is again being used for expert comment, hardly a reliable source given the grudges and bitterness that guy carries, not himself beyond questions of his own coaching and treatment of athletes. UKA have huge questions to answer in many areas but the Daily Mail article scullion refers to was very weak. Scullion likes his own voice for sure. Not the most informed voice though.
As you know, Pollock is a doctor and here's what he posted on Twitter after Valencia: Just sat down after running 2.10.17. Not going to move for a while. A massive thank you to Sophie, Theo, Andy and all my family and friends. On 9th September, I was lying in Mri scanner with broken metatarsal. Today I went no.2 on Irish alltime list.
Doubt very much that was misdiagnosed.
And the evidence for doping is that his brother recommended athletes took a thyroid screening test and that some blokes, likely with pretty limited medical or coaching / sports rehab knowledge believe that he had to have minimum 6 weeks off with SF (each case is different) and likely having no idea what shape he was in when he picked it up. Don't buy it myself. Shoes yes, doping no. I suspect most here have never met Paul, Noel or Paul's coach. If you had I suspect you wouldn't jump to doping because of an article quoting a bitter has been coach or a athlete who has been prone to heavy drinking and odd outbursts.
Thin wrote:
And the evidence for doping is that his brother recommended athletes took a thyroid screening test and that some blokes, likely with pretty limited medical or coaching / sports rehab knowledge believe that he had to have minimum 6 weeks off with SF (each case is different) and likely having no idea what shape he was in when he picked it up. Don't buy it myself. Shoes yes, doping no. I suspect most here have never met Paul, Noel or Paul's coach. If you had I suspect you wouldn't jump to doping because of an article quoting a bitter has been coach or a athlete who has been prone to heavy drinking and odd outbursts.
For me, and many others, the fact that he was diagnosed with a stress fracture on the 9th September (you seem to have accepted the diagnosis now) and then ran a 5 min PB in Valencia over the marathon just doesn't hold up. Unless his brother and his coach have special healing powers, which they need to come out about, then it stinks. You cam bluff a 1500m or a 5k but you can't bluff the marathon.
*can
In your expert knowledge then which PEDs do you assume he's taken?
Enlightener wrote:
trollism wrote:
It's this, apart from the doping part.#
Which part of it is the doping?
You've got the Irish national marathon champion and Northern Irish record holder(now former) calling out Paul Pollock, suggesting Pollock's doping. He's saying, as are a number of people (according to Scullion), that there's no way Pollock's 2:10 (a 5 minute PR) in Valencia last weekend was legit. He's saying that Pollock was diagnosed with a stress fracture in September (6 weeks out). It could be argued, Pollock didn't have the time to do the training for a sub 2:20 never mind a 2:10.
You then have several senior British athletes and coaches claiming that British athletes are being encouraged to take thyroid medication by UKA officials so they can enhance performance. One of the names highlighted in the article is UKA's Chief Medical Officer. The UKA Chief Medical Officer is the brother of Paul Pollock, who just ran 2:10 and 5 minute PR after being diagnosed with a stress fracture in September. One of Ireland's top marathon runners (Scullion) has lambasted Pollock on his podcast and is calling him out. (Note: Pollock, like his brother, is a medical doctor.)
Former indoor European gold medalist, Matthew Yates, has now thrown in his middle-aged portliness to the fray. Yates is very concerned about this, as is, multiple international medallist, Jo Pavey.
Yes. I got that, I read the article.
Just not really any evidence of doping given that levothyroxine isn't banned and they were prescribed the drugs by non-UKA doctors because they took a test which showed poor thyroid function.
It's a low information article written to get idiots excited (It's the Daily Mail), It clearly worked, El Keniano stuck his oar in.
Come back with some actual doping news, until then, Kenya's train load (takes more than a bus now) of positives for EPO, steroids and whatever else they can get their dirty hands on kinda trumps the evils Brits. Sorry Cleo.
I have no idea. I just know he ain't running a 5 min PB (clean), an Olympic Qualifier (clean), and the fastet time by an Irishmanin 30+ years (clean), after having a stress fracture on September 9th, especially as he has a proven record over many years (as you stated) of failing in the marathon. After the stress fracture on September 9th, even wearing Dorothy's magic shoes, Pollock wouldn't run 2:10 (clean). You can believe he did it clean but I'd say you're one of the very few. Or maybe, he lied about the stress fracture. But I'm confident this one will come out in good time.
No idea. Sums it up. The bloke has run
No idea wrote:
No idea. Sums it up. The bloke has run
Sums what up?
The fact is, Pollock stated he was diagnosed with a stress fracture on September 9th, he then ran a 5 min PB in Valencia.(You tried to make up an excuse and said it was misdiagnosed - then when I posted Pollock the doctor's twitter post, you changed direction). It just isn't feasible. I'm not an expert on doping, but I do know that he isn't running 2:10 off a stress fracture, so close to Valencia - that's game over. You can come out with all the nonsense you want but it just isn't believable. I doubt there are many on here would believe it either. And pathetic attacks with language against me won't help you: I'm more than a match for you, so I'll give you the heads up and suggest you stick to the SF and the PB. You explain the magic 5 min PB, as you're the expert. It's clear too you know and love his brother and his coach, maybe his coach could get you to run 2:10 ;)
Now, so you're not sitting up all night, waiting for a reply, I'm off to bed. You've got to love my good manners. Good night.