Craig Engels on Hassan: "I’ll defend her to the death..She is the hardest worker I’ve ever seen in this sport."

And exactly how is it that all of these all-time greats simply "work harder" than everyone else? It couldn't possibly be that their recovery and training performances are aided by drugs, could it? Considering her performances have entered the "only been done before by druggies" realm, and the fact that her coach is serving a drug ban...

It is pretty well known that if you take a small dose of EPO at 9pm, then drink a liter of water, when the 6am testing window opens the next morning, the drug will no longer be detectable.

They can take the drug every single night of the year, be tested every single morning of the year, and never fail a test.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

ezrzerze wrote:

Craig clearly doesn't know how this works.

Lance was the most tested on the planet.

If Hassan gets tested 8 times in 3 weeks, that's not proof that she is clean, it's because the testers know she is dirty and she is gaming the system.

Does she have different testers than the ones busting all those Kenyans?

Did Lance have different testers than the tour cyclists who were caught when he raced?

I’m no expert but it is fairly well documented that the team of doctors and method of doping matters a lot in terms of beating the tests.

Jambo Cabao wrote:

It is pretty well known that if you take a small dose of EPO at 9pm, then drink a liter of water, when the 6am testing window opens the next morning, the drug will no longer be detectable.

They can take the drug every single night of the year, be tested every single morning of the year, and never fail a test.

There's zero chance they would take that risk, and a dose of EPO that microscopic would have no performance enhancing benefit anyway.

Ciro wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Does she have different testers than the ones busting all those Kenyans?

Did Lance have different testers than the tour cyclists who were caught when he raced?

I’m no expert but it is fairly well documented that the team of doctors and method of doping matters a lot in terms of beating the tests.

I don't recall too many cyclists getting busted during Armstrong's run of success. I had the impression at the time that every single rider was cheating.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Ciro wrote:

Did Lance have different testers than the tour cyclists who were caught when he raced?

I’m no expert but it is fairly well documented that the team of doctors and method of doping matters a lot in terms of beating the tests.

I don't recall too many cyclists getting busted during Armstrong's run of success. I had the impression at the time that every single rider was cheating.

I believe both your statements are correct.

Point I was trying to make is that I think that Hassan may have better means due to resources of avoiding detection than an aspiring athlete in Kenya. Of course I could be completely wrong also.

Jambo Cabao wrote:

And exactly how is it that all of these all-time greats simply "work harder" than everyone else? It couldn't possibly be that their recovery and training performances are aided by drugs, could it? Considering her performances have entered the "only been done before by druggies" realm, and the fact that her coach is serving a drug ban...

Amen. What does it even mean to be the "hardest worker"? This isn't high school basketball. All the pros presumably are maxing out their abilities and, if not all, at least a good number are. Couldn't work any harder without breaking down. I recall hearing that Ryam Shay was an absolute beast -- is she working harder than he did? I recall reading that Paula Radcliffe was sleeping like 13 hours a day -- is she working harder than she was? Harder than Gery Lindgren when he was running 300+ miles a week? Harder than Kipchoge right now?

It's not that I don't think she is working exceptionally hard or that she isn't exceptionally dedicated. And I respect the dedication and discipline involved. But it's a lazy description and, given the sad reality of the cloud of doubt hanging over everyone who succeeds today, only raises more suspicions IMO. Better to commend her work ethic and note she's maybe working SMARTER than anyone else, too.

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

What Hassan has done is unprecedented. She's the best from 1500 to 10k simultaneously and also at the top at the half and may break the WR. She could have even won the 5k at Doha too. I'm not buying that it's all done clean.

Please don't forget to add the 800 and HM to your list. She could have won the 800 in Doha, and will break the half WR tomorrow.

Federer, the best tennis player of all time, could NOT be the best one on sand/clay.

Hirscher, the best skier of all time, only dominated slalom and giant slalom, but NOT downhill.

Katie Ledecky, does NOT dominate (or even compete often) in the 100 and 200 freestyle.

There are some exceptions tho. In triathlon, Frodeno dominated everything from sprint, over Olympic to half Ironmans and even full Ironmans. The difference is he is trained for each event at different times - he could not win an Olympic Tri right now, neither could he have won an Ironman while he was on the ITU circuit. Hassan could be asked to run any race from 800-HM today, and she would win.

Also, tests are meaningless. Tests assume that we are ALWAYS ahead of pharmacy and doping, but reality is we are lagging behind. It did 10+ years to get a test for EPO, even longer for some steroids. Who says that anti-doping agencies are all-knowing, and there couldn't be something have been invented out there that we don't know yet/test for but is highly performance-enhancing? Kenyans getting busted every few weeks does NOT mean that athletes from other countries are clean, it could just mean that they are doping on an advanced level with newer stuff that's not blatantly obvious.

Hardloper wrote:

Jambo Cabao wrote:

It is pretty well known that if you take a small dose of EPO at 9pm, then drink a liter of water, when the 6am testing window opens the next morning, the drug will no longer be detectable.

They can take the drug every single night of the year, be tested every single morning of the year, and never fail a test.

There's zero chance they would take that risk, and a dose of EPO that microscopic would have no performance enhancing benefit anyway.

You are wrong. Feel free to read The Secret Race and report back with a book report.

Ciro wrote:

Does he live in an RV?

Do you?

Fascinating? Rojo, you need to get out more if that fascinates you. Acting is easy, very easy. Craig can be ready to put on a show or be spontaneous, you'll most likely never know the truth. But..."He's" always watching;)

Wobin Rilliams wrote:

Ciro wrote:

Does he live in an RV?

Do you?

I do not.

I thought I read something about Engels living in an RV, which if I’m been honest I found unusual as I expect he’s making decent moment at Nike.

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I really don't care what the doping cheating liar Engels says, do U?

Hassan is a doper.

Engels is a doper.

The midget guido Roid Chacne Centro is a doper.

Beet Juice Hasay is a doper.

Roid Rage Rowbury is a doper.

Elfie Rupp is a doper.

Doorbell Mo

Every NOPer is a doper.

you forgot "is a doper"

Doorbell Mo is a doper

Also, Bobblehead Radcliffe is a doper.

The real question is: Did Craig and Siffan ever go out on a date and have chicken and waffles?

T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

Ciro wrote:

Wobin Rilliams wrote:

Do you?

I do not.

I thought I read something about Engels living in an RV, which if I’m been honest I found unusual as I expect he’s making decent moment at Nike.

Yeah right, you clearly don't read. Had you read the article attached to this thread you would see that he lives with 3 roommates and TRAVELS in his RV for fun.

Mullet Engels loves the redneck triathlon:

Nascar

Bass fishin

Tabaccy spitin