BRIGID KOSGEI WTF 2:14:04

T K Maxx wrote:

And for men:-

Men's World Record = 1:59:40

Men-Only World Record = 2:01:39

For the purposes of non sexism, you should be allowed to be paced by male athletes the entire distance for the World Record in both sexes.

In my opinion, there could be two world records for men also, although then maybe there would be three for women. I view Kipchoge's sub 2 as a real world record. And his 2:01:39 is also a world record, no rotating pacers could be the name of the record.

mixed gender wrote:

No the mixed gender record is Kipchoge with his 2h 01 xx in Berlin last year. I think all races should be mixed gender and people should be awarded according to where they finish in the race regardless of their gender.

Women have their own competitions for a reason. Do you also think weight classes in boxing etc should be removed? And maybe you want to remove all youth competitions? Hope you are just trolling.

EPOhno wrote:

EPO EPO EPO

Surely not, she lives on a healthy diet and trains properly.

I think you meant some Kenyans believe they need to dope to succeed.

Armstronglivs wrote:

From an insecure Kenyan, who thinks they need to dope to succeed - which most Kenyan runners appear to be doing.

Credibility is also another word for belief. Looks like you are doing your part.

Armstronglivs wrote:

When every superior performance today immediately gives rise to a chorus of doping accusations from within the running community that is a sport that has lost the battle. Doping has won - in every sense - because the best performances are no longer trusted to be clean. This is a sport without credibility.

rekrunner wrote:

Credibility is also another word for belief.

Looks like you are doing your part.

Armstronglivs wrote:

When every superior performance today immediately gives rise to a chorus of doping accusations from within the running community that is a sport that has lost the battle. Doping has won - in every sense - because the best performances are no longer trusted to be clean. This is a sport without credibility.

Credibility is related to trust, and trust is lost when cheating becomes a commonplace. As it has. The reputation of the sport as being clean has taken too many hits.

rekrunner wrote:

I think you meant some Kenyans believe they need to dope to succeed.

Armstronglivs wrote:

From an insecure Kenyan, who thinks they need to dope to succeed - which most Kenyan runners appear to be doing.

I'm happy to go with most, but either way the difference becomes largely semantic when no elite performance can be trusted to be clean, because the incidence of doping has clearly moved far beyond an occasional rarity. Very few dopers are caught - this is acknowledged by anti-doping experts such as WADA - and so it is inevitable that far many more Kenyan runners will be doping than are currently being busted. (And before some leap for the "racist" label, the same arguments will apply to a greater or lesser extent everywhere else - from Russia, say, to Iceland at the other end.)

Armstronglivs wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Credibility is also another word for belief.

Looks like you are doing your part.

Credibility is related to trust, and trust is lost when cheating becomes a commonplace. As it has. The reputation of the sport as being clean has taken too many hits.

Clean/Dirty, two sides of the same ridiculous belief in drugs. In this regard, you and rekrunner are both as stupid as each other.

Adjuster wrote:

Lots of dudes are getting chicked in ultra-running. I think it's fair to assume that the men and women are of relatively equal caliber and equal propensity to dope or not in that venue. It makes sense that bordeline elite dudes will get chicked in road marathons. That said, I think this is a doper girl.

Not in races where the field is of equal standard. All the top races, the men are still hours ahead of the women.

Kosgei world Record actually brings closer to the women limit comparing to Men limit.

Lets look over the long distance record between men and women.

5km women's world record is 14:11:15 while Men's world record for 5km is 12:37:35 That is about 1:44 difference

10km women's world record is 29:17:45 While Men's world record for 10km is 26:17: 53 that is 3 minute difference

21.1km Women's World record is 1:04: 28 While Men's World record for 21.1Km is 58:01 that is 6 minute difference

42.2 km Women's world record is 2:14:03 While Men's World Record for 42.2 km is 2:01:37 and that is 12m:36s dif

Before this week Marathon world record, the women's marathon world record were out of line now it is almost inline with the other women's world record. i think the world record for women's will go down to about 2:12 minutes when Men's start running continuously 2 hr Marathon.

If you see above every time the distance double the time difference double as well. So the 2:14 world record is not out of this world, it is just not expected to happen this week in Chicago.

^This. The women's WR was out of line in 2003, and that's why it hasn't been broken for 16 years. Now its improvement was 81 seconds in 16 years, corresponding to 5 seconds per year.

The men's WR was 2:04:55 at the end of 2003, which has been improved by 194 seconds in 15 years - that's 13 seconds per year on average.

LoneStarXC wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

A woman marathon runner is now fast enough to have won the silver medal at the '64 Tokyo Olympics behind the great Abebe Bikila. This sport becomes increasingly ridiculous.

And she didn’t even look tired afterwards. It’s totally that “proper training”. ?

That's not an indicator for drugs, that's just what real fitness looks like..not your "super fit" hobby jogger fitness.

Jsdidhsjaj wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

And she didn’t even look tired afterwards. It’s totally that “proper training”. ?

That's not an indicator for drugs, that's just what real fitness looks like..not your "super fit" hobby jogger fitness.

This is true. Watch any elite, even Willis and Muir if you want, how they look like after an all-out mile. They are immediately recovered, ready to go on a victory lap celebration jog and/or do an interview.

Let a hobby jogger run an all-out mile and he is laying dead on the track for a few minutes. That's the difference between a VO2MAX of 70-85 and one of 50.

Jsdidhsjaj wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

And she didn’t even look tired afterwards. It’s totally that “proper training”. ?

That's not an indicator for drugs, that's just what real fitness looks like..not your "super fit" hobby jogger fitness.

I agree. The best indicator of PED use in Kosgei’s case are her Rosa connection, the fact that she shattered a super-juiced WR, and the abysmal state of anti-doping protocols in place in Kenya. The “she didn’t even look tired” is more of an interesting side note. Not at all like that “hobby jogger” Bannister.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Jsdidhsjaj wrote:

That's not an indicator for drugs, that's just what real fitness looks like..not your "super fit" hobby jogger fitness.

This is true. Watch any elite, even Willis and Muir if you want, how they look like after an all-out mile. They are immediately recovered, ready to go on a victory lap celebration jog and/or do an interview.

Let a hobby jogger run an all-out mile and he is laying dead on the track for a few minutes. That's the difference between a VO2MAX of 70-85 and one of 50.

So, all the people who lose those all-out miles are hobby joggers? Every race ends with the winner running around cheering and basically everyone else on their backs

Kosgei’s record is as legitimate as Kipchoge’s 1:59 run.

She was paced by men for an extended portion/entire run. If there was a man who could pace Kipchoge in this manner he could also run 1:59 in a ‘real’ marathon.

In fact, I think it would be possible for Kipchoge to run 1:59 at Berlin if he had the worlds fastest men pacing him like in a cycling peloton to 35km.

The sport is as phony as pro wrestling. Don't watch it, don't support it, outside the high school and

collegiate systems......

Yup!! wrote:

Watch her body language as she finished. She finished and immediately looked down in dismay. Her subconscious definitely knows she’s a cheater. She didn’t even look happy with winning, a clear sign that she cheated !

I thought the exact same thing as she finished. Her reaction was the most suspicious thing.

Why would anyone think HS and College are clean? More doping there (with NO testing) than in the Pro ranks. But since no one gets caught I guess they are ALL clean?! Yet the Pro's who don't test positive are all dirty, unless they are white American (and non-NOP of course) good ole boys/girls. The Hypocrisy on this board is staggering. But then since the Brojo's are themselves the ultimate Trolls, what else can anyone expect.

Running is a JOKE wrote:

zxcvzxvc wrote:

Managed by the Rosa's. Was a 2:47 runner in 2015. Runs a minute faster than a woman everybody here thinks doped and who nobody else had come close to. Of course she's clean.

“Managed by the Rosa’s.” That’s all I needed to hear.

How someone like Rosa continues to get away with doping athletes again and again I’ll never know. Meanwhile AlSal is banned for giving too many vitamins to an assistant coach.

THIS. EXACTLY THIS.