Was Jenny Simpson herself actually a Dr. Brown patient? Jenny Simpson doesn't deny that she too was a patient of Dr. Brown's

This always upsets me. I was diagnosed with asthma as an infant. Spent days in the hospital, hours at the doctors sitting on a damn machine and learning of the potential dangers. I, unfortunately, have never fully outgrown my asthma. Luckily, it only flares when I'm sick or when we have Wild Fires in CA.

I am supposed to take my inhaler daily, for safety. I do not. This is because of athletes who have used a SERIOUS medical condition as their performance enhancer. Instead, I use it when I begin wheezing - once or twice a year, and then tuck it away. They have created shame and embarassment for me.

I found other ways to make my lungs stronget , such as lung expanders in the pool, and actually just spit a lot (TMI) when I run since my lungs get clogged with phlem. So if she truly has a condition, I am shocked she hasn't tried making her body stronger. If she does not - Shame on her, from all Asthmatics.

"Full interview here. I haven't had time to listen to it yet so if someone could listen to it and tell everyone else at what point that part is, I'd appreciate it Update: People say it occurs at the 5:08 mark "

#journalism

REAL. wrote:

Jenny Simpson, age 33 - PR 3:58.42

Regina Jacobs, age 33 - PR 4:00.35

Hmm...

Wasn't Jacobs busted for some crazy undetectable steroid from BALCO?

Asking here wrote:

I’m anti NOP but I actually don’t think this is a big deal.

Dr. brown saw A LOT of the top runners. I know for a fact that USATF and the USOC training centers referred athletes to Dr. Brown.

He was THE guy to go to. That doesn’t mean all these athletes were cheating.

Unfortunately, Simpson built her own glass house. She said that she can’t believe that any athlete would train with Salazar given his reputation, as a result, any athlete that decided to join him is suspicious.

Unless you are living under a rock, you also knew that Dr Brown had an equally bad reputation, so Simpson should follow the same logic. Any athlete who used him (including herself) is now suspicious as a result.

I obviously don’t agree with such broad accusations (she threw Engel into that...), but Simpson does. If we follow her logic, she now would like us to be suspicious of her and would like us to feel that her performances are tainted.

Ok, i’m now suspicious of this 33 year old who is running 3:58 (only one second off her best).

Alan Webb was running 3:42 at age 30...

The Treater wrote:

He "treated" Bob Kennedy back in the day so he has been "treating" track athletes for decades.

Carl Lewis

Elvin wrote:

Elvin wrote:

What is the timeline on this? Was Dr. Brown working with NOP at the time Simpson was his patient? Had any of the allegations against him emerged at that point in time?

Could somebody clarify this, please? Yes or no, is the claim being made here that Simpson was a patient of Brown's at a point in time AFTER he became involved in cheating? Or are we criticizing Simpson for not having the foresight to know that the doctor she was seeing would later become unethical?

I’m assuming she saw him before. So it is different.

I went and saw Dr Galea in Canada. He later was busted for bringing HGH over the border . I obviously had no idea. Guy was recommended as one of the best. I was clean. He didn’t give me medicine at all (I was seeing a pt in Toronto who told me to go see him) I think the point some of the Engels defenders would make is that one is just not guilty by association. I think an association after an allegation is out is different but if you’re a young kid and Nike throws a ton of money your way and says go work with this coach and you say ‘what about the BBC thing?’ And they say it’s fine , it’s a disgruntled ex employee, are you going to turn it down? Some may turn it down but others wouldn’t.

Nike has not even paid lip service to being a leader on anti doping and it finally caught up to them.

Other examples of 33 y.o:

Nick Willis 3:36 (best of 3:29)

Bernard Lagat 3:32 (best of 3:26)

Steve Cram 3:35 (best of 3:29)

Sebastian Coe 3:34 (he was actually 32 and 11 months)

Steve Ovett: 3:37

Mo Farah: 3:31 (best of 3:28)...

Thanks Wejo. Someone calmly speaking his mind without pointing fingers left and right is actually what is needed on this sort of topic.

Jenny was clearing making a diversion from the original question. If she only consulted with Dr. Brown, why wouldn't she be open about that and put a rest to any speculation?

Look at her body language and facial expressions when Letsrun asks her at 5:08 in this interview if she ever saw Dr. Brown. She looks so uncomfortable! And of course she dodges the question, using the excuse of "I think people have the right to medical privacy."

Yhhhhh wrote:

He was THE guy to go to.

Exactly, giving out prescriptions like candy.

Bend OR runner dude wrote:

Look at her body language and facial expressions when Letsrun asks her at 5:08 in this interview if she ever saw Dr. Brown. She looks so uncomfortable! And of course she dodges the question, using the excuse of "I think people have the right to medical privacy."

This ^^^ x10000000. As another mentioned, she's clearly not very familiar w/ the glass house/stones adage.

in other news, kudos to Engels for not jumping all over that one, I would have been very tempted to publicly pounce on that if I were him- the kid has some commendable restraint. I'll def be rooting for him in the final!

Gggggg wrote:

Other examples of 33 y.o:

Nick Willis 3:36 (best of 3:29)

Bernard Lagat 3:32 (best of 3:26)

Steve Cram 3:35 (best of 3:29)

Sebastian Coe 3:34 (he was actually 32 and 11 months)

Steve Ovett: 3:37

Mo Farah: 3:31 (best of 3:28)...

not sure yore point on lagat he of course actually failed a drugs test

If Jenny Simpson has

Used asthma medication and

Used thyroid medication

Used prescribed meds by banned drug Dr.

Needed a therapeutic use exemption

She is a grey area cheater and part of the entire reason Salazar and Brown are banned for cheating.

The cloud of cheating hangs over her, rather than NOP athletes who joined after the era of TUE, thyroid, asthma grey area cheating.

Athletes competing clean don’t need TUE or steroid enhancers, or artificial hormones.

Many athletes and coaches are have figured out the medical exemption route.

Yes her coach has/had a relationship with Dr. Brown.

Athletes feel that since it's a "treatment" and they have a waiver its ok.

This loophole has to be closed. Athletes under treatment should not be allowed to compete. A window of time should be established post treatment to clear their system.

Competing while under treatment in cheating with a hall pass.

- While working with Salazar after a long and quite successful career, Mary Slaney was diagnosed with exercise-induced asthma at the age of 36-37 (and, as everyone knows, tested positive for elevated testosterone levels). These asthma “diagnoses” have been going on for years.

- I can understand athletes all flocking to the same doctor/surgeon for orthopedic issues, perhaps an expert in certain surgeries, but some random endocrinologist in Dallas... uh-uh.

I'm curious about the whole asthma med thing. What specific meds are being prescribed?

My understanding is that inhaled corticosteroids and inhaled bronchodilators are usually used for asthma management. Inhaled corticosteroids work by decreasing inflammation in the bronchioles. If you don't have asthma or some other pathology causing inflammation, I wouldn't think that this treatment would really help. As for bronchodilators, a healthy non-asthmatic person will already be bronchodilated during exercise, so giving an inhaled anticholinergic or beta-2 agonist wouldn't really seem to be much help for a person who didn't need it either.

Is there some benefit that I'm missing, or are they prescribing other drugs under the guise of "treating asthma" that are PEDs?

USATF-lazy-days wrote:

Crowd Sorcerer wrote:

4. Dr Brown is not in power to issue a TUE. He can give a patient a prescription, of course, but it’s up to USADA or WADA to grant a TUE if I’m not mistaken.

Maybe the rules have changed recently, but last I had heard you don’t need a TUE for an inhaler or thyroid medication.

Yes you do need a TUE for both inhaler or thyroid medication!

Do tell:

Until just a few years ago, most athletes did not see thyroid medicine as cheating. They were led to believe that they had a legitimate medical condition by endocrinologists. Recovery for each athlete is different and I completely understand that after receiving levothyroxine they saw improved recovery. Most must have believed that this was the way "normal" people felt and that now they were "normal". Some certainly wanted it because others had it. I don't know which camp Jenny was in. But the Propublica stuff made it clear that workouts and other exercise induced phenomena were timed to cause symptoms and influence test results which would make the diagnoses pass scrutiny so some coaches knew the drill and probably were themselves coached by doctors on how to convince squeamish athletes to accept them (and how to induce the symptoms).

I do not know how to get athletes to be less accepting of gray areas and the "us versus them" mentality that so many coaches employ (even at the high school level) insulates them from their peers (competitors) with whom they might fruitfully compare notes on these issues.

The fact remains that many non-athletes do need this kind of therapy and athletes are a subset of the population.