How is pulling off 500 meters early going to save someone for another race? Maybe that’s how he felt in his head, wanting a reason that felt excusable for him to step off, but I hardly think it will have made any difference outside of him not getting a new PB in the 5000 if he was well under his best ever at that point. Seems like a weak minded decision that can turn into a bad habit.
KaareV wrote:
Well, since cricket,softball, rugby are not especially on the agenda high up North, though in some European countries. But in Soccer, not all that bad for a small nation. In tennis, one amongst the hundred best. Norway, with short summers and long winters, on top in most of the wintersports,alpine skiing, cross country,skiing, biathlon etc. But very good in orienteering. And in handball. Some top swimmers. Cricket came to Norway with pakistani immigants some years ago. Are Cricket and Softball world sports? And American Football? World Series. What World? Most of it due to cultural differences. In Norway people don't even know what softball is. That's how it is with 5 million inhabitans. 56 Olympic gold Medals in summersports and 132 in wintersports. Compared with USA it is nothing: 1022+105.
In Soccer, what was your last WC appearance? 1998. And Norway only qualified for 3 WCs (1934,1998 and 2002). I'm not bashing your country. You had very good players un the past like Rekdal, Carew, Berg, Rockstar Dan Eggen, etc ...but now they're not contenders, like Uruguay in soccer, or Lithuania in Basketball, or Wales/New Zealand in Rugby (countries similar to Norway in terms of population)
Same with Tennis, having a top 100 ranked player doesnt make you "contender'.
International Cricket Council (ICC), has over 100 members, and Is very popular in Commonwhealth colonies.
You didn't mention Basketball (how many Norwegians made an NBA roster? Only one, with 3 games played for the Clippers in late 80's). And Basketball is an indoor sport, so, long winters are irrelevant.
Norway sucess in athletics, now that is impressive. And i'm not saying that Norwegians are good only in EPO related sports. You had excellent throwers and even sprinters/hurdlers.
Crowd Sorcerer wrote:
How is pulling off 500 meters early going to save someone for another race? Maybe that’s how he felt in his head, wanting a reason that felt excusable for him to step off, but I hardly think it will have made any difference outside of him not getting a new PB in the 5000 if he was well under his best ever at that point. Seems like a weak minded decision that can turn into a bad habit.
He said in his post-race interview that he was having some issues with a stabbing pain in his stomach that he's had previously too, which affects his breathing, and breathing is kind of important. He also said it got worse throughout the race.
Not in volleyball, but in sand volleyball. Big difference.
Team tactics from Ingebritsons, which they thought would counter the team tactics of Ethiopa. Falling on your face is not a hallmark of good strategy.
You are right and wrong. As I tried to say, no culture in basketball etc. Only decent in Soccer. But I didn't mention roing, sandvollyball,shooting etc. My humble point was that Norway isn't that bad, even in some summersports. Norawy is not very good in those indoor wintersports either. ex.ishockey. But, your last, between the lines, point is that there might be an EPO-culture in Norway - always in these threads not backed by facts. Speculations are a hobby on LetsRun Message Forum. Norway had some excellent throwers. They stayed in USA for a while and when they came back they were caught in doping. And one decent sprinter. Now, a hurdeler. And as far as I know, in "EPO related" summersports, only the Ingebrigtsen Brothers. So it isn't that impressiv.
Cricket is played seriously by like what 5 countries? England, Australia, India, Pakistan, and the West Indies - seriously that's it. Who on Earth plays softball seriously outside the US?
Distance running is BY FAR the most competitive sport in the world. Nothing comes even close, not even soccer. Something like the marathon world record has been held by an athlete from every single continent in the world over the last 60 years. Norway has three fantastic distance runners right now who are near the top of the pile of world performances and they also run extremely exciting races - Jakob's run yesterday was like Prefontaine's in 1972. He made the race great. It's a fanatastic achievement from Norway a tiny nation with limited population size and resources. Now they may or may not be doping but the East Africans ahead of Jakob yesterday are much more likely to be doping when you consider the huge truckloads of doping positives that keep coming out of that area of the world right now - and that is with a far from effective doping control system.
Drainthefecesswamp wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Because that's against the rules. Should be a DQ
It isnt clear to me that is what the honest effort rule means.
I think it's clear that he wanted a medal and when it was clear he wouldn't win one he dropped out. It wouldn't be hard to argue that honest effort means an honest effort to compete, not to complete.
Imagine the Olympic 10k. A competitor expected to have a slot at making has a terrible day and is dropped hard. They're doing their best, but they're off the back. Soon they're getting lapped, in the way of the actual race. Should they stay in and finish the race 2 or 3 minutes behind the leaders? They're capable of finishing, so you're saying they're required to finish.
Where do you draw the line? What constitutes "bad enough" to justify dropping out? Running 90% of a race trying to hold onto the leaders before dropping out seems like an honest attempt to me, assuming his goals were on medaling.
People pointed out Justyn Knight finished despite being 25 seconds off the winners. Im not sure how that is relevant.
I believe the rule says you must attempt to finish the race.
And if you drop out then wish to compete in a different event you need a medical note from the doctor to say you had a medical reason to stop.and are now recovered.
This is it.
A different thing would have been pacing his brother till 3k then stop, but he run almost the whole race, faster than his PB. He could have also jogged the last two laps, but it would have been as 'dishonest' as quitting.
In high school they use the scratch on scratch all rule.
Many others in the pro's have opted out of the semi's of one event but entered another.
So, I don't know how it works in the World Champs/Olympics.
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