List of runners who have run 1:44 and 13:00

I have observed they people tend to dope when they are either at the twilight of their career and still did not achieve quite what they wanted or can't seem to break out of a rut or plateau. As I recall, Flo Jo for many years was not at all close to what she finally achieved then quit shortly thereafter. Since taking the gold medal, Centro seemed pretty much off the radar screen until this 13:00. Does raise questions but I guess you need stronger evidence before you can much any solid accusations.

JNathletics wrote:

Have to say if Gebrselassie, Bekele and Komen would have wanted to be in the club, would surely make it. But never raced 800's

None of those guys could run 1:44. Not even close

Back in the day wrote:

Nothing to see here wrote:

Centro 5000 PB before this was 13:20. Nothing to see here.

So was Moorcroft's.

No, I'm saying he was doped when he won gold too. There hasn't been a clean Olympic medalist in any sport in almost ever. There are always corners to cut if not outright doping. Once blood doping, steroids, etc came into the picture then no medalist in any sport ever is clean.

But yea continue to believe whatever you want. Lance never tested positive and he was the most tested athlete ever.

If there are millions at stake then people dope.

If there are millions at stake then companies and governing bodies will ensure top athletes don't pop hot.

Just accept it and enjoy the show. No one cares about the super fast, super strong linebacker who looks indestructible on Sunday. No one cares about the super yoked basketball players playing above the rim. No one cares about the tireless baseball players going night after night.

Doping is a problem in sports like track and cycling because the fans have made it an issue.

Just enjoy the show.

Alan

Not even close wrote:

JNathletics wrote:

Have to say if Gebrselassie, Bekele and Komen would have wanted to be in the club, would surely make it. But never raced 800's

None of those guys could run 1:44. Not even close

they could close championship 5/10 races in 52. and that was after going 13/27 pace for 11.5/25 laps.

Aouita was a real beast back then and very unusual in his competitive range. He seemed to be in a class by himself in the 5000 m but was also very competitive at the 800 m and 1500 m. He did not just run fast but beat middle distance specialists, e.g. gold medalist Joaquim Cruz in the 800 m (PR 1:41.77) I think he also had several legendary duels with Steve Cram as well --think he had run 1:42. Too bad there was not a Geb or Bekele around to push him in the 5000 as well.

they could close championship 5/10 races in 52. wrote:

Not even close wrote:

None of those guys could run 1:44. Not even close

they could close championship 5/10 races in 52. and that was after going 13/27 pace for 11.5/25 laps.

That's nice, but they still couldn't run 1:44. That's not how it works.

Lagat once closed a 12:59 race in 51. He raced many 800s in his career and never broke 1:46.00.

Runningart2004 wrote:

If there are millions at stake then companies and governing bodies will ensure top athletes don't pop hot.

That's ridiculous considering Jarrion Lawson got a 4-year ban for a negligible amount of a substance commonly found in beef.

Hardloper wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

If there are millions at stake then companies and governing bodies will ensure top athletes don't pop hot.

That's ridiculous considering Jarrion Lawson got a 4-year ban for a negligible amount of a substance commonly found in beef.

Sacrificial lamb to make it appear the sport is clean.

Mottram himself told me he ran a 1.45 time trial a few weeks before he beat Bekele in the World Cup in 2006

Not even close wrote:

they could close championship 5/10 races in 52. wrote:

they could close championship 5/10 races in 52. and that was after going 13/27 pace for 11.5/25 laps.

That's nice, but they still couldn't run 1:44. That's not how it works.

Lagat once closed a 12:59 race in 51. He raced many 800s in his career and never broke 1:46.00.

If Aouita could, they could. I doubt anyone thought he was going to do so when he announced his intention to move down.

Look up escape goat wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

That's ridiculous considering Jarrion Lawson got a 4-year ban for a negligible amount of a substance commonly found in beef.

Sacrificial lamb to make it appear the sport is clean.

Something tells me you think it actually is escapegoat.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

I like how Letsrun posters call Africans dopers when they get big PRs and then when Centro doesn't race all season and nails a HUGE PR they rationalize it as legitimate.

Come on. The dude has been doping his entire pro career. This 5k is literally flipping the middle finger to the drug testers. He's saying "you can't catch me because I don't race."

If Centro "has been doping his entire pro career" and is only a 3:30 guy - what does that say for all the others faster than him?

Yes, I think many people are discounting, at least to some extent, what many of these great milers and 5000 m are capable of. I do not believe it a stretch for some to run a 1:44 or even a high 1:43 but it would be to their economic/career detriment. They would have to overhaul their training to prepare for the 800 m . In so doing, they would lose their sharpness for the distances which they are most likely to win medals or major track meets. There seems to be a general agreement that 1:41 or 1:42 is beyond their capabilities but that type of speed is what is needed to medal in the Olympics. Even if you run a 1:44 flat, it won't really get you anywhere in terms of fame or prestige. Thus, one's choice to specialize depends on both genetics and earnings potential. It is also becoming more and more difficult to be really good at more than one distance--notice the recent dearth of 800m/1500m runners.

YMMV wrote:

On the basis of his 3:48 mile I thought that Mottram had a chance but....1:52.9 lol. Lagat has 1:46 and Lomong 1:45

Didn’t lagat close that 2004 oly 1500 in 1:46?

I'm not sure that you'd say that Kiprop had outstanding natural speed in the sense that he was a 47-48 400m runner at his best, which is very fast but not for his level. Ryun, Coe, and Ovett are just a few 1500m runners with much better speed.

Kiprop won world junior xc, so he had great endurance already.

El Guerrouj, who ran 12:49 or 12:50, also was said to have run an 800m time trial in 1:42, which was about as much of a race as this one.

And you are a sad little man.

For the first time he has actually been doing 5k type training. He has never tried a 5k before this late in the season. His 13:20 was early season. You throw the 3:52 out like that was a horrible race, he had only recently started doing workouts and was quite happy with the result. The June 3:52 for him was really a May effort. I was also at the race the conditions were perfect, crowd amazing pacin was good after a bit clunky first coupe laps.

What a said group letsrun is, bash them when runners run slow, bash them when they run fast...

It does kinda wrote:

Not even close wrote:

That's nice, but they still couldn't run 1:44. That's not how it works.

Lagat once closed a 12:59 race in 51. He raced many 800s in his career and never broke 1:46.00.

If Aouita could, they could. I doubt anyone thought he was going to do so when he announced his intention to move down.

Except the fact that Aouita had already run a 1:44 low back in about ‘83, before concentrating on it almost exclusively in ‘88. So, he didn’t just say “hey, I think I’m going to give the 800 a try”. Unlike these guys, he had already proven himself as a legitimate 800m guy.

People just take it as a given that Centro is one of the very best milers in the world this last decade. Other than that slow as dirt pace in the Olympic final what other major international accolades has he achieved? He won only one diamond league race in his whole career and got on the podium in worlds twice other than indoors which no Africans give a damn about. He absolutely wasted nearly two years after the last Olympics running like crap and seeming to not care and no one on here even called him out for it. In addition he seems to be the only one during his time to get a pass for being on NOP other than Rowbury. He's without question the best American 1500m runner in recent times but that doesn't mean jack to be the best American today. Who's the second best through that span? Not someone that's a real threat at the international level. Face it, dude got lucky that no one took up the pace they were all looking at Kiprop and not only did he blow it but he wasn't in the kind of ridiculous doped up shape he needed to be in that we grew accustomed to. Centro had good position, that's all.