The next American sub-13:00 5k runner is........Woody Kincaid???

[3.1]Miles Davis wrote:

First off not true.

Secondly, three americans run 13:00 and this sites first instinct is to bash them? WTF is wrong with you guys? Jerry is the best coach in the world and his athletes are doing amazing things. Have some god damm pride and give them the props they deserve.

Thirdly, good rule of thumb is "if they can beat you then dont talk $hit about them". They'd lap your mediocre, no-talent a$s by 3k sooooo. Scrubs come on letsrun to bash pro's. You're a scrub

Let me responsd to this in reverse order.

1) Just because someone is slower than someone else doesn't mean they don't have the right to criticize someone.

2) I love Jerry and think he's amazing but if people want to criticzie him that's fine. The reality is he has a 12:58 guy who isn't going to Worlds. One can blame USATF for STUPIDLY not allowing people to chase (and for not allowing people to get in on descending order list) but one can also blame him for not having a better rabbit at the Azusa meet or having them race more often.

I'm not that perturbed that he's not at Worlds. Maybe by not going and not getting his **** pushed in, he'll still be dreaming of a medal in 2020.

You can tell whether he's a vegan just by listening to his interview. Did he refer to his diet during the interview? If not, then no. If so, then yes.

You might also say that this was Jerry making amends to his athletes for messing up and failing to get them into fast qualifying races this year. Now he's got the harder Olympic qualifiers knocked out for next year for these three guys.

Never mind whether this was a sanctioned event. The important questions are:

1) was doping control present?

2) if not, did organizers know they would not be?

If no and yes, I think I know how this happened.

That forest in the middle of the track reminds me of the Boston College track pre-1991. You never knew what was going on behind the bleachers that were in the end zone of the over-sized track.......

HOT TAKE:

Woody is the first non superstar American to break 13. This is going to be HUGE for all the blue collar American dreamers out there who lack the high school/college championship hardware/times. Breaking 13 just became attainable.

Stay tuned for more sub 13s.

Hot.Take1 wrote:

HOT TAKE:

Woody is the first non superstar American to break 13. This is going to be HUGE for all the blue collar American dreamers out there who lack the high school/college championship hardware/times. Breaking 13 just became attainable.

Stay tuned for more sub 13s.

Woody is on EPO

“We had to create a new starting line based on the measurements from the rail,”

Does it mean the rail was not 400m? How far away was the start from the usual starting line at the start of the back stretch?

at the end - sorry

How good was Woody in HS?

jama aden wrote:

Hot.Take1 wrote:

HOT TAKE:

Woody is the first non superstar American to break 13. This is going to be HUGE for all the blue collar American dreamers out there who lack the high school/college championship hardware/times. Breaking 13 just became attainable.

Stay tuned for more sub 13s.

Woody is on EPO

Man, if I were kincaid, I'd get a lawyer and your IP address and really stick it to you. I mean, really put the screws to you. I'd advertise the whole thing on here, and post it all over social media.

That being said, is it possible for me to do that anyway? Any internet sleuths know how to identify "anonymous" posters?

Sick of this $hit wrote:

jama aden wrote:

Woody is on EPO

Man, if I were kincaid, I'd get a lawyer and your IP address and really stick it to you. I mean, really put the screws to you. I'd advertise the whole thing on here, and post it all over social media.

That being said, is it possible for me to do that anyway? Any internet sleuths know how to identify "anonymous" posters?

Suing over accusations. Sounds very Lance Armstrong like.

Was still a footlocker All-American. Certainly not a prodigy like most of the superstars today but the talent was still there. Very under trained in HS/College and is just now tapping into his potential. That boy gon' be fast

Definitely broke a barrier for the non superstars and hopefully we see more

rojo wrote:

1) Just because someone is slower than someone else doesn't mean they don't have the right to criticize someone.

"If this is true, I want the track measured" is not criticizing. Thats not saying "he shouldve taken the lead at USA". That's you trying to talk $hit and take something away from someone who has worked infinitely harder than you ever did in college. Criticizing is one thing, but to call someone trash or imply they had to cheat to get a time when THEY WOULD LITERALLY LAP YOU TWICE is retarded. Its like the guy who gets his ass kicked the one fight he actually gets in and then still acts tough. Like ok guy.

Not to mention just stupid. You really think the Nike-built track, used for a lot of BTC and NOP workouts AND during the breaking2 project, is short? You really think they'd sacrifice alllll of the other things they do on that track so that 3-guys could run a faster time in a no-stakes time trial like a decade after they built it?

If he ever comes within 5 seconds of this time on a legit track then it will count. Until then it’s no different than the Patriots cheating bowls or Kipchoges 2:00:30 behind the Flying V.

Rail was from old Hayward Field. 400m is measured some distance out from the rail, not right on the rail. So once the rail is installed, measurements are taken (I think 6cm? but not completely sure) out from the rail

Hot.Take1 wrote:

HOT TAKE:

Woody is the first non superstar American to break 13. This is going to be HUGE for all the blue collar American dreamers out there who lack the high school/college championship hardware/times. Breaking 13 just became attainable.

Stay tuned for more sub 13s.

He's in one of the two most prominent training groups in the US, is Nike-sponsored, and had a paced time trial in the middle of Nike's headquarters. That's not blue collar at all. If anything, it's the opposite. When he actually WAS a blue-collar runner, his results were pretty much only bordering on elite status. Give him all the high end resources, and suddenly he's spectacular.

epicTCK wrote:

Rail was from old Hayward Field. 400m is measured some distance out from the rail, not right on the rail. So once the rail is installed, measurements are taken (I think 6cm? but not completely sure) out from the rail

10cm