Jenny Simpson's account of how testing works is troubling

Flatlander wrote:

I think that’s kind of uncalled for Jeff.

Let’s keep this thread focused on the matter at hand: dirty (or clean) athletes and the system. Don’t make it political when it’s not.

I disagree. Racism is certainly a political issue.

We all want clean sport, but I find the accounts of tracking of top athletes chilling. Too much big brother for me.

Let's not put permanent tracking devices on or in anybody. It's nuts.

Big Red wrote:

We all want clean sport, but I find the accounts of tracking of top athletes chilling. Too much big brother for me.

Let's not put permanent tracking devices on or in anybody. It's nuts.

What is so chilling about it? If I were part of the testing pool I'd prefer if they could have a "find my iphone" type feature so they could always find me if they needed to. What's the big deal?

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

Big Red wrote:

We all want clean sport, but I find the accounts of tracking of top athletes chilling. Too much big brother for me.

Let's not put permanent tracking devices on or in anybody. It's nuts.

What is so chilling about it? If I were part of the testing pool I'd prefer if they could have a "find my iphone" type feature so they could always find me if they needed to. What's the big deal?

Has anyone heard of human rights?

that goes without saying wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Coleman is clearly a cheat. His coach is a cheat and his mentor is a cheat.

+1

Not to mention his Tennessee buddy Gatlin. Will be fun if those two go 1-2 at worlds.

Just watch Seb's face when he places the medals around their necks.

Big Red wrote:

We all want clean sport, but I find the accounts of tracking of top athletes chilling. Too much big brother for me.

Let's not put permanent tracking devices on or in anybody. It's nuts.

I can’t imagine how the athletes have given up their rights like this. It’s absolutely insane for an adult who isn’t a felon on probation or a child sex offender to need to report their location to anyone.

No wonder track and field in the USA isn’t competitive with the rest and of the world. No sane person would give up their privacy like this. There is no amount of money in the world worth this invasion into someone’s private life.

Flounder wrote:

Big Red wrote:

We all want clean sport, but I find the accounts of tracking of top athletes chilling. Too much big brother for me.

Let's not put permanent tracking devices on or in anybody. It's nuts.

I can’t imagine how the athletes have given up their rights like this. It’s absolutely insane for an adult who isn’t a felon on probation or a child sex offender to need to report their location to anyone.

No wonder track and field in the USA isn’t competitive with the rest and of the world. No sane person would give up their privacy like this. There is no amount of money in the world worth this invasion into someone’s private life.

Exactly, I work for an American multinational company and they brought in this 'job management app', which is ok and a bit better than the old paperwork, so that's progress, however the only part that worked without a hassle and which they were most insistent about, is the 'location tracking'.

The millenials seem ok with it , but us older and more experienced politely told them to nick off, because it is against the privacy rules here.

Their argument "we pay your salary between x am and y pm"

Our argument (not that we actually need one),:

a) "then since we do a lot of overnight interstate travel, please pay me for all my hours away from home and I will tell you where I am"

b) " it is not your right to know that an employee may have too many doctor visits, pharmacy stops or even have a running stomach....because one of you sociopathic morans will use it against that person"

The athletes here could also refuse, but in an athletics setup, they will refuse to pick you, give you entries, register you etc.

If you have a cell phone, the government knows a lot more than your whereabouts info to WADA and USADA.

I'm all for more tracking of top athletes. They are required to confidentially share the location, not exactly all that chilling.

And we want clean sport. Everyone wants clean sports. We should all be in favor of this and not skeptical.

In this age of the smartphone and gps watches, why should a tester ever have to knock on someone’s door when they are not home? Shouldn’t testers have an app on which every athlete registers their phone/watch so testers ALWAYS know where they are at any given time?

Just a thought...

Pittsburgh Joe wrote:

Shouldn’t testers have an app on which every athlete registers their phone/watch so testers ALWAYS know where they are at any given time?

Some people think of the book "1984" as an instruction manual...

Pittsburgh Joe wrote:

In this age of the smartphone and gps watches, why should a tester ever have to knock on someone’s door when they are not home? Shouldn’t testers have an app on which every athlete registers their phone/watch so testers ALWAYS know where they are at any given time?

Just a thought...

See my post above....employers already do that sort of thing, but not legal in all countries

It is strange how Americans have less privacy when it comes to 'opting in' vs 'opting out' of marketing spam, less privacy relating to employers tracking you etc, but they can still buy burner phone sim cards without registering "because it invades their privacy".

No person needs a burner phone for honest purposes.

Pittsburgh Joe wrote:

In this age of the smartphone and gps watches, why should a tester ever have to knock on someone’s door when they are not home? Shouldn’t testers have an app on which every athlete registers their phone/watch so testers ALWAYS know where they are at any given time?

Just a thought...

Not a very good thought.

How will all in the poor areas of the Rift Valley.

And would it not breach human rights?

reed wrote:

I think that they might show up 5 minutes after the 60min window on purpose because it means that athletes have an hour to get home. So if the athlete messes up, they get a little leeway. If the athlete is dodging the test, they will still miss it. But if the athlete wants to be tested, they've got an extra hour to get back home.

That's just silly.

The athlete has to be at their place between those hours.

They should not be coming home from anywhere.

They have one job.

zxcvzcxv wrote:

Let's say that you have a job where you need to travel frequently. Think right now about your exact whereabouts for the next three months, to the hour. You must anticipate exactly what they will be and immediately correct and update them if they change in every way. Be sure to look constantly at that schedule before you, say, go to visit your mother nearby, go shopping, or do anything on the spur of the moment. Never deviate from your schedule, lest you be fired from your job (that is, suspended), and forever labeled a cheater. Admit it: it's a big expectation and makes it pretty unpleasant to be a professional track and field athlete.

Hang on. If you are a professional track and field athlete, that is your job.

The real question is how often can you update your schedule

Some people wrote:

Pittsburgh Joe wrote:

Shouldn’t testers have an app on which every athlete registers their phone/watch so testers ALWAYS know where they are at any given time?

Some people think of the book "1984" as an instruction manual...

Was actually about the events happening at the time. Though because man seems to like to repeat the same things, time after time. People think it was foretelling the future or something. It wasn't.