Bdubs wrote:
Kevin,
How badly do I need to annoy you to get the $1000 offer??? ;)
Seriously, I haven't had a chance to read every detail of this ridiculous thread, but I'd like to point out a few things.
1. There is another "in between" space for the argument. That is the idea that it is perfectly acceptable for Jonathan to transition to June and live her life as a female, with the exclusion of competing against non transgender woman.
2. Do not confuse your online experience with June's. You made a few mistakes, and the corresponding public outing was probably an awful experience. To some extent June has asked for the publicity. Further, the discussion regarding the policy and how it will affect NCAA track/cross country is completely message board appropriate.
3. Many americans, and many young people, do not understand the idea of tradeoffs. It may be reasonable to expect that in the tradeoff of transitioning is competing at the NCAA level. We all make choices, and they have consequences, which in some ways are not "fair." As someone who teaches policy, I often tell students the pursuit of fairness is a fools errand.
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One of the points I think is trying to be made is that making the field "equal" is very difficult. A trans basketball/volleyball player would certainly have bigger advantages than June. REcently a transgender cycling athlete dominated the velodrome, and her stature (5'11" and 195) certainly allowed some advantage.
Gender and Sexuality are not Binary, and these cases bring up some very interesting/serious discussions.
Absolutely agree on all levels. Definitely feel like this is too new of a situation for either side to really be able to compromise. I live somewhere in the middle on this where I fully support anyone who desires to transition but yet athletics is the ONLY area where there would be potentially a huge advantage going MTF. I cannot think of any other area of life where it would happen.
To the extent that this should play out from a scientific standpoint, I think it’s important. We need to see what kind of real affect the drugs have otherwise we are guessing. Drugs or no drugs, there will be the cross section of people that are adamantly against the entire idea so they will not change their mind.
The only issue with the threads is the hate. Take out the hate and we have some great conversation happening. :)
As far as the $1000....it’s for anyone that’s posted transphobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted or sexist comments on here. So I’m sorry but you’re out. Hahaha.
Kevin