The El Paso / Dayton Shootings Thread

listening to the nonsense from Beto O'Rourke is enough to drive anyone crazy.

Media Bro wrote:

I’m serious - they inspire future killings by making the killers insanely famous, airing the killers name for weeks on end. All of these murders know for a fact if they go blast a few people that CNN / Fox will have them famous within 5 mins.

The bad part? The media organizations love the shootings as they make literally upon millions of dollars in ad revenue/ commercials from all the people who click on the articles or watch the stuff on TV. It seems like legislation needs to be passed to prevent this stuff from being covered as it’s a sick loop of people making money off killings which inspires more shootings.

Next to the shooters themselves, I'd say the media is primarily responsible, because they support the dangerous dialogue constantly coming from the left. Of course, that's just stating the obvious.

For those nobodies who planned on committing suicide anyway, the media allows them to become somebodies. To become a martyrs. All at the cheap price of their lives, which they valued at NOTHING.

It's obviously a big factor. Something should change, but there is the whole freedom of press thing.

Of course, how they came to view their lives as worthless is the other main issue.

Absolutely contributes to it. These people have nothing to live for and have no power or control in their own lives (these guys are always basement-dwelling, socially-stunted losers). They've already given up on everything and/or given themselves to some wacko cause. These shooters often cite other shooters in their manifestos. They see the attention they got and want to go out like them.

@a guy wrote:

A guy the fake one wrote:

What's both funny and sad is that if Trump had a D after his name instead of an R, and that was the ONLY THING different about him, the people who currently bash him would defend him, and the people who currently defend him would bash him. This very thread is just an extension of people waving the pompoms for their favorite political team.

In what world would a politician with a D after his name say there are good people on both sides of the white supremacist argument, or say people should go back where they came from? I mean since the sixties, before you try, and fail, to be clever.

My point is proven. Go team go!!!

If you're going to blame media coverage then it only seems fair to blame capitalism and you the consumer.

News outlets are businesses trying to make more money. They follow the lead of clicks. The consumer could largely be blamed for their coverage overall.

So stop reading stories about violence?

Politically I lean right.

Yes, I think it doesn't help that the killers are instantly famous. Hours after the El Paso incident you had Dayton. Could it be that El Paso was the final light switch going off in the shooters head? Maybe.

There are 390+ Million guns in this country. Democrats want to talk about gun control ... GREAT! I welcome that. There isn't a need for anyone to own an AK-47 or any Assault style weapon. Anyone who says we need to take guns away are kidding themselves. It will not happen. Way too many out there and that's not including people who have guns illegally.

The Dayton shooter turns out to be a liberal. The guy who wanted to blow up an ICE Facility was a liberal. The shooter in El Paso was a Far Right White nut job. Blaming one political party is gross. Blaming the NRA is irresponsible. We need to come together an pass something to try to limit these assault style weapons getting in the hands of people who are mentally ill.

I'll say this. in 2016 White Police Offers in Dallas were shot and killed. People on the right Blamed Obama on his rhetoric that could be seen as hateful towards police officers. THAT WAS WRONG.

Blaming Trump for El Paso is ALSO WRONG.

To the OP I don't the media is the blame but I don't think it helps the matter.

We need to come to the center on this conversation and stop blaming politicians and stop using this to promote a political agenda. Blaming Hispanics-Blaming Blacks-Blaming Whites. Reading tweets the past 24 hours from the woke blue checked twitter mafia has been disgusting. Identity politics are moving both sides more left and right.

Just my thought.

Frank could have just said " hey- kind of had a mid-life crisis and got addicted to cheating at marathons, my bad".

I still think Loyola and Atzlan running club needs to be investigated as to why they had this cheater on the staff for so long and why his co-coaches in those organizations defended him publicly. Often, where there is smoke there is fire. Worth checking. Was he cheating to impress somebody?, To gain underserved trust and faith? We assume it was just ego , or a finite thing he did due to mental illness. So he only cheated at marathons because of mental illness there was nothing else to that mental illness? How likely is that?

I wish people would quit casting in stone that he killed himself over the cheating instead of over the fact that he and these others were potentially going to be put in the spotlight with these kinds of questions lingering.

Also one of those more recently linked articles claim Frank did lose work, where did he actually lose work on account of being exposed as a deceiver?cheater? He killed himself over the facts, not because of the Internet Mob- What are those facts....all of them?

What causes these shootings is the out of control anger issue that so many people are having. And the media, both on the left and on the right, is responsible for a large part of it. Not the coverage afterwards, but the everyday nonsense that’s going on.

We can no longer debate (and agree on) any issue in a rational, civilized manner. No one listens to anything or anyone. We just angrily yell at each other, calling each other names. TV brings all this out to the open for everyone to see and make their judgements of. I can’t think of any TV or radio station/channel in the US now that’s neutral and unbiased, everyone is pushing their agenda with discussion hosts fanning the flames and demonizing the other side.

In the end both sides feel like no one cares at all about their issues and views. Even worse, they are ridiculed and made fun of, and they feel hopeless. It’s like bullying. If this behavior by the media (and the politicians) doesn’t change I don’t know where all this violence (and counter violence) will end.

I didn't like Obama's policies, or his lies, but he did at least act (or pretend) like he promoted dialogue. Our new P doesn't even do that. So I think we've pushed this "angry and not listening" problem all the way to the top, and now it's even more difficult to make any progress.

All these extremist, strawmen attacks discourage dialogue:

* All moslems are terrorists

* All rich white men are racists

* All gun owners are defenders of murder and mass-shootings

* All immigrants aren't real Americans

* All cops are corrupt

* All liberals are pansies and undemocratic

* All conservatives are fascists and undemocratic

Furthermore, the tendency to crucify anyone accused of a crime is another polarizing tendency that discourages dialogue.

But I think letsrun has a lot of sophomoric trolls who like to post insults and other sophomoric stuff, that also discourages dialogue. One has to only to glance over any thread that mentions any of the DSD issue, or anything touching on drugs, or Russians, ...

dialogue_is_good wrote:

But I think letsrun has a lot of sophomoric trolls who like to post insults and other sophomoric stuff, that also discourages dialogue. One has to only to glance over any thread that mentions any of the DSD issue, or anything touching on drugs, or Russians, ...

Letsrun has trolls, but that is an internet-wide phenomenon. That’s the nature of the beast.

It becomes a real problem when our political leadership becomes infested with trolls who engage in the insulting and sophomoric behavior, rather than act as the problem solvers that they need to be.

What are they suppose to do? Not report these incidents? The incessant focus for the next 48-72 hours if anything helps people become numb and bored with these killings. The focus is on the communities and families not on the shooter. If there are people that are motivated by the anguish left behind there is little the media can do about this. I do ask myself this question about Trump and his tweets? Why give them more attention? Leave it to the sickos and weirdos that follow him on Twitter. Why have reactions to them, reactions to the reactions and give them more life? Because, what are they suppose to do?

It would be dystopic and weird if these shootings were covered more normally by news networks. I think they are just about covered appropriately. These events are exceptional to the USA and anyone can find the data on this.

Mouth breathers like you are leading to the fall of this country. In what world does the left ever incite violence or peddle hate?

likeyou'rea5thgrader wrote:

jph003 wrote:

There were two “mass” shootings in Chicago this weekend. Why isn’t everybody talking about that?

Um, Einstein, because this discussion is not about gang -related violence, Reprehensible as it might be, the idea of turf wars makes sense to most people. Shooting our sister and then 7 other people you don't know or shooting 20 people you don't know makes no kind of sense. Understand now?

Hahaha that's absolutely not true lol. It'd because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to push. Plus the viewers simply don't care as much about "gang shootings" as they do about these "mass shootings" and they are in the business of making every last penny they can.

The killers are obviously responsible. The only thing the media does is it gives weird/sick people the idea. Very few creative people in this world.

Normal person wrote:

No we feel the shooter is responsible.

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Of course the shooter is responsible. Question is how have so many young men come to enact such evil?

Could be lack of prayer in school for starters.

Tarnation boi wrote:

It’s estimated the 1/3rd of all the revenue generated from CNN last year was from ads and viewership related to mass shootings. We live in a sick world.

Cite your source.

No, people who commit mass murder are disturbed people. They are not doing it to attract attention. 9 times out of 10 they commit suicide or are killed at the crime site. If there was no coverage at all they would still do it. I don't see the First Amendment to the Constitution (freedom of the press) being taken away any time soon. If there are people who commit mass killings just for media attention, it just shows how disturbed they are. This is the same argument that people use against violence on TV -- that violence on TV causes violence in real life. But it isn't so. At least not with people who are not mentally ill. People can distinguish between violence in media and violence in real life.