no,hes not that good.if its a sit and kick tactical race he wont have a chance in hell of winning,and he probably wont medal.hes great when doing long runs for home,but he hasnt got the leg speed of the kickers.
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no,hes not that good.if its a sit and kick tactical race he wont have a chance in hell of winning,and he probably wont medal.hes great when doing long runs for home,but he hasnt got the leg speed of the kickers.
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kartelite, I would definitely argue that 7:20 is stronger than 12:37 and I am not only reasonable but experienced. All the greats have taken shots at 7:20, no one has come close. Gebrselassie and Komen both ran 12:39 and remember Bekele had zero absolute speed. He could close in 52, but he could not run sub-3:32 to save his life. Bekele, Geb, El G, Morceli, Farah, Lagat, you name it, anyone in this sport has run a hot 3000m as a professional.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but 12:37 will go down shortly. The new Ethiopians are already within reach with 12:43 not even well paced like Bekele's WR.
My point on Jakob and the 3000m WR is this: watch the race. Watch the effort. If he does not shift into a sustained kick, how long do you think he can keep 3:40/1500m pace going in that race? I think he could definitely get past 2400m, thus the WR is in play.
I'd argue Bekele had more top speed than both Komen and Geb but just didn't get in a race that showed it....did he do like 2 1,500m? If he can close in a 52, and has his type of engine, there is no reason why he couldn't of gone faster than 3:32 in the right circumstance.
I'd also disagree Bekele had any good efforts at the 3,000m WR. If you watch his 7:25 or 7:26 races, the pacing was awful and any chance of being close to the WR was out the door within the first couple laps. Not saying he would have broken it for sure but i think a good effort would have been a lot close the 7:20
Doesn't necessarily apply. Halberg could close a 3 mile in 53, yet his best quarter was 52. His 1500 was 3.38x (pretty good in the late '50's). 3.32 sounds about right for Bekele. He probably wasn't faster than 50 for the 400.
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To say that my error in Komen's 5000m best makes my math all wrong is an exaggeration. 1 second in the 5 doesn't make that much difference in the calculations when you divide by more than 3 to get the 1500 pace. That's less than a third of a second difference in 1500m pace.
The 3k is much, much better paced than the 5000m, so it stands to reason that it is a better record, and similarly 5 is stronger than the 10 record. The 3k gets pacing to 2k, as did Bekele's 5000m record. In the 1990s, there were getting well under 5 at 2k with pacing, so Komen just had to go that 1k himself.
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Doesn't necessarily apply. Halberg could close a 3 mile in 53, yet his best quarter was 52. His 1500 was 3.38x (pretty good in the late '50's). 3.32 sounds about right for Bekele. He probably wasn't faster than 50 for the 400.
He said he could run 49 for 400, which seems reasonable, and I believe him. Watch this race and tell me you think he’d be dropped in a 3:30 race:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WF2r0rNHc1o&t=14sDude was good for 49/1:46/3:30/7:21/12:35/26:10
Maybe 3:29.x
yeah, exactly. People are going off that 1,500 of 3:32 as if that was his best he could do. Yes, it was his fastest of 2 attempts but obviously if he was put into a race in Monaco like Farah, I don't see him being dropped and still going 3:32
Just looking at his body type, it's obvious he has power in his legs for speed. Anyways, never know for sure, but agree with you that it was likely he could break 3:30 for the 1500 and low 7:20's for the 3,000m
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