When asked his pr, does jj give the true 4:xx.xx or some theoretical 1500 conversion?
What time should he be using if he does indeed use the 1500 conversion?
When asked his pr, does jj give the true 4:xx.xx or some theoretical 1500 conversion?
What time should he be using if he does indeed use the 1500 conversion?
Like Really Bro wrote:
If you’ve run 3:41:xx or faster you are a sub 4 miler.
You may have not run the 3:59 mile but you can still in good conscience claim that you are a sub-4 miler. The distance / time / etc. is essentially identical. It’s not like 800 to 1600 or 3000 to 5000. It’s a 1500 to a 1609, and there are tons of athletes who are the same as sub 4 milers even though whatever meet they went to did the 1500m the day they ran 3:41 or faster.
You are a sub 4 miler if you ran the accepted equivalent in the 1500m.
So my 1:22 600 makes me a sub 1:50 800 runner....right?
His bio was copied from a previous bio which was probably haphazardly copied from another previous bio which wasn't written by him. I doubt he goes around telling people he ran a 3:59 mile (unless he did and it doesn't show up on these result archive lists, which is possible for various reasons)
Ray wrote:
Like Really Bro wrote:
If you’ve run 3:41:xx or faster you are a sub 4 miler.
You may have not run the 3:59 mile but you can still in good conscience claim that you are a sub-4 miler. The distance / time / etc. is essentially identical. It’s not like 800 to 1600 or 3000 to 5000. It’s a 1500 to a 1609, and there are tons of athletes who are the same as sub 4 milers even though whatever meet they went to did the 1500m the day they ran 3:41 or faster.
You are a sub 4 miler if you ran the accepted equivalent in the 1500m.
So my 1:22 600 makes me a sub 1:50 800 runner....right?
yes. and apples and oranges are the same fruit.
Idiots kn here. wrote:
You can get fired for lying on your application. Dip
You've seen his application?
For what it’s worth: one outdoor season I ran well under 3:40 and I did not consider myself a sub 4 miler until I actually did it the following winter.
That said, when random work people ask me how fast I ran the mile (I ran 3:58, and that would blow away the average person who thinks 6 minutes is fast), I typically say “well we ran the 1500 and there is a conversion- mine is worth 3:5x”.
Why do I do this? Because these conversations usually happen late night in bars and because I’m old and it’s all I have left now. :)
It is a lie - it did not happen.
Stanford should list his ‘3:41 for 1500’ and let people decide how to interpret it.
Plus, the conversion isn’t automatic.
There is variance depending on the athlete.
It’s adding on ~7% onto the 1500 meter distance.
Not trivial for 800 types.
Yah, I just read the press release.
The sub4 is in like the 18th paragraph as an add-in.
Why diminish a guy’s credibility with a Non-essential non-truth.
It doesn’t make him any better a candidate.
I assumed he was an 800 guy but the press release states he was the mile and 2mile champ in HS.
I was left wondering why he left a Director position at Tennessee to become a regular coach at UConn.
Has anyone checked his relay times? Maybe he broke 4 in a relay?
Track & Field News combines 1500/1600/Mile times as Records "expressed as milers", so JJ Clark would stand
Combined 1500/1600/mile list (expressed as miles):
3:53.43 Webb 2001
3:55.3 Ryun 1965
3:57.81i Hunter 2016
3:59.30 Brown 2017
3:59.38 Maton 2015
3:59.38 Fisher 2015
3:59.4 Danielson 1966
3:59.53 Slagowski 2016
3:59.71 Verzbicas’ 2011
3:59.8 Liquori 1967
https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-lists/high-school-all-time-top-10s-boys/
Let’s say a runner’s personal best times are:
1500m - 3:39
Mile - 4:01
Would you say he’s a sub-4 miler with a PR of 4:01? Probably not.
BTW, is there a record somewhere of Clark’s actual best time in the mile?
Truth Please wrote:
It is a lie - it did not happen.
What is a lie in this case?
mooonshot wrote:
Track & Field News combines 1500/1600/Mile times as Records "expressed as milers", so JJ Clark would stand
Combined 1500/1600/mile list (expressed as miles):
3:53.43 Webb 2001
3:55.3 Ryun 1965
3:57.81i Hunter 2016
3:59.30 Brown 2017
3:59.38 Maton 2015
3:59.38 Fisher 2015
3:59.4 Danielson 1966
3:59.53 Slagowski 2016
3:59.71 Verzbicas’ 2011
3:59.8 Liquori 1967
https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-lists/high-school-all-time-top-10s-boys/
Apples and oranges. This is a list which seeks to normalize performances over the spectrum of distances, conditions, and timing methodologies employed for HS ranking purposes. It in no way either supports or refutes an argument on whether JJ Clark can call himself a sub-4 miler. Would be interesting to see what his best actual mile time was.
Track & Field News also states that 3:42.22 is the equivalent to 3:59.99
https://trackandfieldnews.com/u-s-sub-400-milers-club-chronologically/
Two headed horse wrote:
Let’s say a runner’s personal best times are:
1500m - 3:39
Mile - 4:01
Would you say he’s a sub-4 miler with a PR of 4:01? Probably not.
BTW, is there a record somewhere of Clark’s actual best time in the mile?
while i cannot speak for all sub-4 milers, i personally would have no problem saying a 3:39 dude is a sub-4 miler; that said, if i were the 3:39 dude, i wouldn't go around saying i was a sub-4 miler--i would probably say i'm a 3:57 equivalent...
i don't know jj personally, but as mentioned earlier, it's possible the bio's statement is written for simplicity's sake...
socalcush wrote:
Two headed horse wrote:
Let’s say a runner’s personal best times are:
1500m - 3:39
Mile - 4:01
Would you say he’s a sub-4 miler with a PR of 4:01? Probably not.
BTW, is there a record somewhere of Clark’s actual best time in the mile?
while i cannot speak for all sub-4 milers, i personally would have no problem saying a 3:39 dude is a sub-4 miler; that said, if i were the 3:39 dude, i wouldn't go around saying i was a sub-4 miler--i would probably say i'm a 3:57 equivalent...
i don't know jj personally, but as mentioned earlier, it's possible the bio's statement is written for simplicity's sake...
Steve Scott ran 137 sub 4 miles. He didn't include his 1500 equivalents in that number. Neither did John Walker.
So why didn't they? Because it wasn't accurate.
https://bringbackthemile.com/athletes/detail/steve_scottI will give Malmo points for correcting people on the 1500 equiv thing. JJ Clark could do that as well........on here.
I rarely ever post here ( last one 3 years ago) but this post has been brought to my attention several times as I was employed by the Stanford Track Team and lived in Tall Tree for 15 years.
To be blunt. I am an accomplished miler. I won the Pre Classic Mile once and was third once at Pre. Before I ran sub 4 I ran a 3:57 relay split, 3:38 1500m, but never considered myself sub 4 until I ran a mile in under 4 minutes.
While I think JJ’s claim of sub 4 is basically irrelevant to him getting the job on the farm, I still think it is wrong.
I agree that in the big scheme of things it is a pretty small nit picky detail. But it is a detail.
Why not say he ran the equivalent of a sub 4 mile? Then it is totally correct. All T’s crossed and i’s dotted. Such a simple thing.
The one thing that does bother me, reading this post, is storied Villanova does NOT consider him a sub 4 miler. His very own school doesn’t count him. Which to some degree makes him disrespectful to his Alma Matter. If they don’t consider him, why should he?
I do respect Malmo and Cush so their opinions are very relevant ( in my little world). Nice perspectives.
All in all it is a small detail. But when you get to the level JJ is at, why not say the clarification? It makes him look shady and there is no need to be in this situation.
Ps. If you want to know JJs reputation ask his former athletes ( except the ones named Clark)
I have.
Very interesting....
“J.J. Clark, who was a sub-four-minute miler in college and qualified for the Olympic Trials in 1988 before retiring from competition due to injury, was their coach“
Well, we heard he did it in college. And our website backs that up. Why doesn’t Villanova list him then ? They seem pretty up on that stat !?
As a mountain climber/runner I find this interesting.
There are many many climbs harder than Everest. Summiting K2 is much harder than Everest.
Don’t know any climber who would admit to summiting Everest just because they summited K2 or any harder peak.
Seems wrong to me.
JamesRobinson wrote:
Yah, I just read the press release.
The sub4 is in like the 18th paragraph as an add-in.
Why diminish a guy’s credibility with a Non-essential non-truth.
It doesn’t make him any better a candidate.
I assumed he was an 800 guy but the press release states he was the mile and 2mile champ in HS.
I was left wondering why he left a Director position at Tennessee to become a regular coach at UConn.
What was your training like? Got any 800m tips?