JJ Clark sub four mile? Says so on his bio?

From the article

“ Clark is a 1986 graduate of Villanova with a degree in communications. With the Wildcats, he ran a sub-4 mile“

Yes, anything else you need to nitpick at??

Not there.

Tilastopaja list's him as a 3:41.50 in the 1500, while it is not an actual mile it equates to a sub 4 minute mile, I heard 3:42.40 in the 1500 EQUATES to 3:59.99 in the mile.

I stand corrected, I was always told he did as long as I've known him.

I was at Nova when he was there - very quiet and respectful kid for the most part...even during workouts, meets.

For those who don't know JJ is the son of Joe Clark, the principal of Paterson's Eastside High School - played by Morgan Freeman in the 1989 movie "Lean On Me," ...high school principal who ruled with an big stick, but gained the respect and admiration of students, parents, etc.

This is the type of thing that could get him in trouble or even fired. Stanford is, and especially because of what happened recently, very conscious of bad ethical situations. Sub 4 mile is a pretty cut and dry thing.

Uh ... no wrote:

https://trackandfieldnews.com/u-s-sub-400-milers-club-chronologically/

Not there.

1988 pre mile top 3. wrote:

This is the type of thing that could get him in trouble or even fired.

Stanford is, and especially because of what happened recently, very conscious of bad ethical situations.

Sub 4 mile is a pretty cut and dry thing.

Uh ... no wrote:

https://trackandfieldnews.com/u-s-sub-400-milers-club-chronologically/

Not there.

hahah no

They did not hire him because of his sub-4 mile, and they will not be firing him because of it either. Could you imagine the article headline? It would make them look very stupid.

Perhaps not in the same ballpark but Notre Dame fired it’s head coach for lying on his resume after he was hired.

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/15/sports/notre-dame-coach-resigns-after-5-days-and-a-few-lies.html

JJ talk wrote:

For those who don't know JJ is the son of Joe Clark, the principal of Paterson's Eastside High School - played by Morgan Freeman in the 1989 movie "Lean On Me," ...high school principal who ruled with an big stick, but gained the respect and admiration of students, parents, etc.

anyone who read the article in question would know.

1988 pre mile top 3. wrote:

This is the type of thing that could get him in trouble or even fired.

Stanford is, and especially because of what happened recently, very conscious of bad ethical situations.

Sub 4 mile is a pretty cut and dry thing.

Could also be whoever wrote the coach's writeup making the mistake.

Could also be whoever wrote the coach's writeup making the mistake.[/quote]

Hopefully this is the case.

But “ Old 2 lapper” above in the thread said that as long as he has known him he heard he was a sub 4 miler. Seems like it has been out there awhile.

Old Man 2 Lapper wrote:

Yes, anything else you need to nitpick at??

Nitpick? Is it a fabrication or not? I can't find him on the sub 4 list either.

SID: What’s your best mile time?

JJ: I ran 3:41 in the 1500

SID: WOW! You ran a 3 minute mile!

Agreed. Nothing less than a retraction of his contract is acceptable after this individual lied about his credibility as a coach.

Nitpick? Is it a fabrication or not? I can't find him on the sub 4 list either.[/quote]

He is not even listed as Sub 4 on the Villanova website and they seem pretty proud about all of them.

https://villanova.com/sports/2018/6/18/sports-m-track-spec-rel-nova-m-track-4-minute-miles-html.aspx

JJ talk wrote:

I was at Nova when he was there - very quiet and respectful kid for the most part...even during workouts, meets.

For those who don't know JJ is the son of Joe Clark, the principal of Paterson's Eastside High School - played by Morgan Freeman in the 1989 movie "Lean On Me," ...high school principal who ruled with an big stick, but gained the respect and admiration of students, parents, etc.

More relevant, he's the brother of Joetta Clark, who was a bunch better mid-D runner than he was --though he was very good.

Joe Clark, their dad, was a gigantic a**hole, and a total fraud, who was built up into some mythical 'hero' by Ronald Reagan and other right-wing scumbags because he carried a baseball bat around his school, and they thought they could use him as a 'model' of the 'right' way to 'handle' black kids.

In real life, he made his school a worse place in every way, and was despised by most of the people who worked with or under him.

That movie was a sickening crock of sh*t, which had absolutely *nothing* to do with reality.

The weird part was that there was another, superficially very similar 'bio-pic' made right around the same time, about another 'heroic' inner-city schoolteacher in LA, Jaime Escalante --except that *that* guy was the real deal.

He really was a hero, and the movie about him was fairly close to real life.

Of course, the horse-sh*t Clark movie got all the attention, and the real hero got just a little.

Prevarications wrote:

Old Man 2 Lapper wrote:

Yes, anything else you need to nitpick at??

Nitpick? Is it a fabrication or not? I can't find him on the sub 4 list either.

Yes its nitpicking. Its pretty much universally accepted that a 3:41 1500m is extrinsically equivalent to a sub 4:00 mile.

It must be an awful burden having to go through life trying to find fault at every thing and everyone.

Yes its nitpicking. Its pretty much universally accepted that a 3:41 1500m is extrinsically equivalent to a sub 4:00 mile.

It must be an awful burden having to go through life trying to find fault at every thing and everyone.[/quote]

Hey Malmo. It appears that YOU are not on the sub 4 list either.

That pretty much makes your opinions on sub 4 status irrelevant.

At least you don’t claim to be. Good on you mate.

It is a mile. It is 4 minutes.

Like a porshe 911 there is no substitute.

That is why they make lists.

JJ Clark is not on the list. Why? He never ran a mile in under 4 minutes.

Don’t claim to be what you are not.