Have any non African born men broken 13:00 for the 5000 since the introduction of the biological passport?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Top western elites are just as likely dopers as top African elites.

The reason east Africans do better at 5000 and up is obvious if you just open your eyes: they're lighter. They eat barely half as much on average as Americans.

Your sub-13 Americans may look skinny, but the skeleton inside their absent muscles is still way bigger on average than an east African skeleton. .

Is there any science to back this up? Do Africans have lighter 'skeletons' because of diet??

I thought the reason why there has never been a world class African descent swimmer is because black people have 'heavier bones' (no idea if this is true, just stating that it's a reason commonly given).

Out of Africa wrote:

You did it again wrote:

Westerners and Moroccans are two completely different continents. In fact, Morocco is in Africa.

You'd be surprised how many HS graduates don't know that. Lol.

Moroccans are far closer to Europeans than sub-saharan Africans.

For millenia it has been far harder to travel from north Africa to 'black' Africa than north Africa to Europe, because of the Sahara desert. Morocco and Algeria may as well be a different continent to Africa. The Sahara, I believe even more so in the past, is far more difficult to navigate than the Mediterranean sea. This is why Moroccans are virtually indistinguishable from Spanish and other Med people genetically. It's also why the Romans never went beyond North Africa.

dunes runner wrote:

Coevett wrote:

---- another comment on African doping----

----another snowflake meltdown.

The title of this thread is a suggestion that non-Africans have the doping problem contrary to all the evidence. It's not racist to point to the evidence that contradicts the OP.

Stop wasting the mod's time you snowflake doping apologist.

Signed clean sport wrote:

I Agree wrote:

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I don't see any such suggestion about suggested non-African doping problems in the title. Maybe you should do a little less reading between the lines. There was only one proper response that has nothing to do with doping for Africans or non-Africans alike: "Four have: Solinsky, Teg, Ritz, and Rupp". It is simply inappropriate to talk about doping and/or Africans, as it is off-topic. WADA ADRV reports are evidence of many nations that have doping problems.

Coevett wrote:

The title of this thread is a suggestion that non-Africans have the doping problem contrary to all the evidence. It's not racist to point to the evidence that contradicts the OP.

By my count (up to Jan 2018): 49 Kenyans 23 Ethiopians 9 Moroccans 5 USA

Bad Wigins wrote:

I just counted how many: 8, 3 more than the US-born count. Good for them. Now, you being the one trying to prove Morocco's as successful, get to count how many Kenyans and Ethiopians (including those competing for other countries) have done it. Whichever one of them is in 2nd place, I think I can safely predict the gap between them and Morocco will be a lot more than 3.

It's easier to count the sub 12:50's: Morocco has 1, Kenya 8, and Ethiopia 8. Morocco's devastated.

The jackwads who think the biological consequence of eating less is a racial thing are jackwads. Grow up eating sparely and your body will prepare for a spare-eating adulthood. Westerners and Moroccans don't do that, and grow up with big frames ill-suited for distance.

rekrunner wrote:

I don't see any such suggestion about suggested non-African doping problems in the title. Maybe you should do a little less reading between the lines.

There was only one proper response that has nothing to do with doping for Africans or non-Africans alike:

"Four have: Solinsky, Teg, Ritz, and Rupp".

It is simply inappropriate to talk about doping and/or Africans, as it is off-topic.

WADA ADRV reports are evidence of many nations that have doping problems.

"Many nations" having doping problems with mid-d/distance runners? I don't think so - you'll have to fire up some stats on this one.

Looking at the AIU provisional suspensions list it's Kenya and Russia who are center stage right now. There's 8 Kenyans (if you count Jebet imported to Bahrain) and 7 Russians. The 7 Russians are comprised of race walkers, field eventers and a sprinter. There's 3 Ukrainians (2 RWs & a marathoner), and couple from Morocco (mid-d & distance) India (mid-d & distance) & Belarus (field).

So, when people get upset with posters criticizing & condemning Kenya, they need to look at this list and try comprehend what's going on here. Kenyan is center stage roght now and they're the ones that got themselves into this mess.

People also need to understand that for the proceeding several years Kenya has never had one ABP violation. Last last year the state of the art WADA-accredited lab in Nairobi (PLK) goes on line and bam: Four (4) ABP cases in just the last few months! The Kenyans were never on a properly operated ABP system prior to PLK...period.

I've already referred to WADA ADRV reports, which you will find at their website. The AIU link also lists many nations with suspended athletes.

Let's Tell It Like It Is wrote:

"Many nations" having doping problems with mid-d/distance runners? I don't think so - you'll have to fire up some stats on this one.

Any American runners who have been popped for EPO? I can only think of one off the top of my head, and that was a Moroccan American. Not saying top Americans aren't doping, as I am very doubtful Jerry and Alberto athletes are clean.

Christian Hesch. Note I was commenting on the truthfulness of this statement: "a suggestion that non-Africans have the doping problem contrary to all the evidence".

juice to the gills wrote:

Any American runners who have been popped for EPO? I can only think of one off the top of my head, and that was a Moroccan American. Not saying top Americans aren't doping, as I am very doubtful Jerry and Alberto athletes are clean.

rekrunner wrote:

Christian Hesch.

Note I was commenting on the truthfulness of this statement: "a suggestion that non-Africans have the doping problem contrary to all the evidence".

juice to the gills wrote:

Any American runners who have been popped for EPO? I can only think of one off the top of my head, and that was a Moroccan American. Not saying top Americans aren't doping, as I am very doubtful Jerry and Alberto athletes are clean.

Eddy H way back when, born Belgian, but competed as American

Mo Trafeh was your "Morrocan" - born in USA I think?

Was always bummed about Hesch... loved him back in the day!