We have requested a list of his races and times but he has produced no evidence that he is even a runner. All he does is make excuses and deflects. Beginning to suspect that he is Derek’s Dr Jekyll alternate personality.
Right, I got that this was ultra nonsense from vague clues but your allegation of his cheating is that like Kip he makes up races he competed in ? It seems very odd that someone is making allegations but cannot actually specify the exact nature of them. Couldn't anyone randomly accuse anyone of that whilst providing no evidence?
I googled jesse riley runner. Jeez, anybody heard of google?
Problem is , I did that yesterday and lost an hour reading the rubbish on Dave Proctor thread.
I know you ran across Australia etc, but in that thread you come across as an irritant (to put it the most kindly), and provide no evidence of cheating, and your only 'solace' was applauding the guy's failure, which is poor form. The guy gave it a go, and should be supported.
That, plus your constant one line posts after each other makes you an annoyance to other posters, so I can see why the trolls are on your case to deflect away from Frank
Actually, there’s no evidence of running. They won’t even name the record keeper. Guinness & anyone else requires some human to sign for the results. Name & address at least. Proctor himself won’t even do it.
It was a very sad case. That’s overly simplistic, even if a number of people on this site behaved abhorrently and the poor man had numerous problems. I thought these threads were locked, and I don’t see a lot of value in rehashing this stuff unless there’s something truly of value to add. His loved ones may not be as close to their grief, and they may not get wind of anything here any longer, but why risk opening wounds?
But still, you say something that sounds sympathetic to him. If you dredge up a topic like this, do you think it’s likely to make things better or make them worse?
You're dredging up this again after all these years? Some weeks before the house of cards finally collapsed, I told a psychiatrist of my concern that Meza might conclude that his only way out of this was suicide. But that wasn't primarily because he was being outed as a cheat. It was because his whole reputation -- as a medical doctor, as a community organizer, as a runner, and even as a father and husband -- had become so bound up in his identity as one of the greatest age group runners in the world, and he had steadfastly resisted the more honorable path of acknowledging the falsity of his claims and had instead threatened the people who had carefully uncovered the truth. As far as I am aware, he never acknowledged his falsehoods, and his own family continued to defend his integrity after his death. If you want to blame somebody other than Meza himself, consider the worldwide mockery of him on newscasts just one or two days before he killed himself. Those news reporters didn't have the slightest understanding of the evidence that had been building up; they simply considered it to be an obvious falsehood that anyone that age could run a marathon so fast and win his age group by so much. They laughed at him. That was irresponsible, and gave Meza no place to hide.
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You're dredging up this again after all these years? Some weeks before the house of cards finally collapsed, I told a psychiatrist of my concern that Meza might conclude that his only way out of this was suicide.
You're a bit late Avocado's Number. I've been warning the Brojos for at least a year before what was going to happen, My last warning was a week before his suicide. All bullying is terrible, but this was exponentially out of proportion to the offense -- the equivalent to jaywalking. When I woke up to the dreadful news I was physically shaking. It should have never been allowed to get to that point.
You're right, I thought that this thread was supposed to be locked?
You're dredging up this again after all these years? Some weeks before the house of cards finally collapsed, I told a psychiatrist of my concern that Meza might conclude that his only way out of this was suicide.
You're a bit late Avocado's Number. I've been warning the Brojos for at least a year before what was going to happen, My last warning was a week before his suicide. All bullying is terrible, but this was exponentially out of proportion to the offense -- the equivalent to jaywalking. When I woke up to the dreadful news I was physically shaking. It should have never been allowed to get to that point.
You're right, I thought that this thread was supposed to be locked?
Locking this thread flies in the face of the free speech brojo warriors.
You're dredging up this again after all these years? Some weeks before the house of cards finally collapsed, I told a psychiatrist of my concern that Meza might conclude that his only way out of this was suicide.
You're a bit late Avocado's Number. I've been warning the Brojos for at least a year before what was going to happen, My last warning was a week before his suicide. All bullying is terrible, but this was exponentially out of proportion to the offense -- the equivalent to jaywalking. When I woke up to the dreadful news I was physically shaking. It should have never been allowed to get to that point.
You're right, I thought that this thread was supposed to be locked?
I wouldn't say that I was late; I had been thinking about the possibility for quite a while, but had never voiced my concern until I talked to a psychiatrist about the situation. Even then, Meza probably could have negotiated one of those deals where the race results are quietly removed, trophies are redistributed, people are gently told that the issues have been resolved, he and his family (and the high school kids he voluntarily coached) stop talking about it, and he stops racing. There seemed to be a lot of people who loved him and would have let the past be the past, but I never had the sense that he was seriously considering that. He seemed locked in to a course of behavior, denial, and confrontation that seemed destined to end very badly.
You're dredging up this again after all these years? Some weeks before the house of cards finally collapsed, I told a psychiatrist of my concern that Meza might conclude that his only way out of this was suicide.
You're a bit late Avocado's Number. I've been warning the Brojos for at least a year before what was going to happen, My last warning was a week before his suicide. All bullying is terrible, but this was exponentially out of proportion to the offense -- the equivalent to jaywalking. When I woke up to the dreadful news I was physically shaking. It should have never been allowed to get to that point.
You're right, I thought that this thread was supposed to be locked?
If this was some random hobby jogger who claimed to have run a 4 hour marathon when the truth is that he cut the course, then yes, it's the equivalent of jaywalking. In that case, we should ignore it and move on.
But the Meza case was a fradulent age group record, not a 4:30 time. If he apologized, then yes, people make mistakes, let him off the hook. But he doubled down. Considering all that, it's not the equivalent of jaywalking, it's the equivalent of a Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme. No sympathies.
You're a bit late Avocado's Number. I've been warning the Brojos for at least a year before what was going to happen, My last warning was a week before his suicide. All bullying is terrible, but this was exponentially out of proportion to the offense -- the equivalent to jaywalking. When I woke up to the dreadful news I was physically shaking. It should have never been allowed to get to that point.
You're right, I thought that this thread was supposed to be locked?
If this was some random hobby jogger who claimed to have run a 4 hour marathon when the truth is that he cut the course, then yes, it's the equivalent of jaywalking. In that case, we should ignore it and move on.
But the Meza case was a fradulent age group record, not a 4:30 time. If he apologized, then yes, people make mistakes, let him off the hook. But he doubled down. Considering all that, it's not the equivalent of jaywalking, it's the equivalent of a Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme. No sympathies.
Dude are you nuts? He's frickin' dead. Yes blacklist him if you must, but harangue and drive him to suicide? Jeez. I figure if someone has to lie about their times, they're pathetic enough. You're a sociopath.
If this was some random hobby jogger who claimed to have run a 4 hour marathon when the truth is that he cut the course, then yes, it's the equivalent of jaywalking. In that case, we should ignore it and move on.
But the Meza case was a fradulent age group record, not a 4:30 time. If he apologized, then yes, people make mistakes, let him off the hook. But he doubled down. Considering all that, it's not the equivalent of jaywalking, it's the equivalent of a Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme. No sympathies.
Dude are you nuts? He's frickin' dead. Yes blacklist him if you must, but harangue and drive him to suicide? Jeez. I figure if someone has to lie about their times, they're pathetic enough. You're a sociopath.
Nobody told him to kill himself.
If he apologized, all would have been forgiven. Heck, cheat if you have to, just don't cheat your way to a record. Nobody would have cared if he cut the course and ran a 4:00.
And nobody at LRC was hounding or haranguing him. People spent weeks arguing his case back and forth before the evidence against him became overwhelming. Eventually some idiots suggested contacting his employer or other forms of harassment but they were immediately shot down. This is a running discussion forum and notable running results get discussed. If anyone harassed him, it was media outfits many times bigger than LRC.
I don't understand why people have sympathy for a cheater who got caught and was a coward. You couldn't face the consequences of his own action so he killed himself.
The people who pointed out the fact, not opinion but fact, that he was cheating are completely in the right. No one should turn a blind eye to cheating no matter what then outcome or consequences are.