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If Trump's actions never tarnish him I don't see how Biden gets tarnished by this.

Unless you are saying that because you think Democrats have higher values and wouldn't nominate Biden for that reason.

But in the general election, Biden would beat Trump like a drum, even with this Ukraine thing.

L L wrote:

Banana Bread wrote:

The people trying to impeach Trump are the ones who are committing treason by going against the president. They are making themselves and the whole Democratic party looks bad and expose there true colors. Trump isn't going anywhere. This just strengthens his chances of staying in office for a 2nd term

If the majority of the public feel that way, then you will be correct.

Right now, polls say the majority of the public agree with an impeachment inquiry.

The only polls that matter are the votes cast next November.

So, you can keep saying things like that for the next year if he isn't removed.

I have a couple thoughts on this.

First, its a very weird thing to say, "are the ones committing treason by going against the president". I could see some statement about impeachment not being founded but to associate going against the president with treason is truthfully disturbing to me. Mostly disturbing because I believe the poster is being earnest. Trump is not the king. Its treasonous when you go against your country, not when you go against the president. Its dangerous to conflate the two.

I believe, fairly or not, Bernie's heart issue will cause a great his drop in the polls for him. He is out of it. I go back and forth on whether Trump's Biden attack will hurt Biden. The constant association to corruption, whether accurate or not could have an effect. It creates some baggage. Probably more so in the general than the primary. But as you imply, Trump is very wounded and a very weak candidate. So it might not make a meaningful difference.

I think as the election draws closer to reality, the more radical protest candidates will lose popularity to the more moderate candidates. I think one of the more moderate 2nd tier candidates, will surprise with a stronger showing than expected.

The more Trump tweets and speaks the more he is revealed to be completely unhinged and irrational. It wouldn't shock me if this continues that the Republicans become very conflicted about his nomination.

If Warren moves a bit to the left she will be very strong. She has been smart not to alienate any Democrats supporting other candidates. Its still Biden's to lose though, which he can. Warren might be hurt in the next debate by Gabbard. Gabbard has already dropped some hints that she doesn't see Warren as having commander-in-chief qualities.

Trump is despised as a nasty guy, that might work to whomever presents as the opposite - Biden?

correction - if warren moves a bit to the center she will be very strong.

comedyrelief wrote:

Basically in a government run system, he has reached his life expectancy, so he should do the decent thing for society and accept his fate.

Trump's already been working on that 'round the world, from his government position at the top.

DeBron Lames wrote:

I think Biden is going to be tarnished by this Ukraine/Hunter Biden connection. Maybe he survives. But he's also old, and prone to gaffes. I don't think he ends up as the nominee.

Bernie's now ill, and frankly, I don't see the groundswell of support for him that we saw in 2016. Time marches on.

That's opening things up very well for Warren. I'm not convinced she can win.

We really need to keep Mayor Pete and another moderate or two in the field at least into next Spring.

I agree with this.

I don't care what his policies are, as long we get a gay guy like Butt-edgy-up in the White House.

L L wrote:

Biden would beat Trump like a drum

That's what he does to himself in private, after fondling the women and little girls out in public.

Accordingrding to conservative projections, single payer universal coverage will save 2 trillion over 10 years.

You people defending the current system are nuts.

L L wrote:

If Trump's actions never tarnish him I don't see how Biden gets tarnished by this.

Unless you are saying that because you think Democrats have higher values and wouldn't nominate Biden for that reason.

But in the general election, Biden would beat Trump like a drum, even with this Ukraine thing.

There's always been a different standard for Republicans, Trump in particular.

There is not a voter out there that would choose Trump over Biden because of any issues with ethics.

Indeed ... wrote:

L L wrote:

Biden would beat Trump like a drum

That's what he does to himself in private, after fondling the women and little girls out in public.

Crazy dunes, you are posting under my handle and with other handles. Just own up to your post and use your regular handle.

Remember, you can't hide crazy.

Everyone knows its you.

Single payer wrote:

Accordingrding to conservative projections, single payer universal coverage will save 2 trillion over 10 years.

You people defending the current system are nuts.

I completely agree.

Bidens da man. Don't mess with him.

reality calls wrote:

Crazy dunes, you are posting under my handle and with other handles. Just own up to your post and use your regular handle.

Crazy dunes, I wish you'd stop pretending to be me attacking you, which is making me look like a bigot.

Just so everyone knows, that was Crazy Dunes pretending to be me attacking him.

I'm just mad because Dunes won't vote for my gay guy Butt-edgy-up to be President.

Conundrum wrote:

correction - if warren moves a bit to the center she will be very strong.

Not gonna happen. If anything, she will go further left and this only helps Trump.

Thanks Pocahontas!

#Trumplandslide is coming

KAG2020

The Trump campaign is paying for 1 million dollars worth of anti-biden television ads in the early primary states to swing the votes away from Biden.

Obviously Trump fears Biden more than other candidates.I

Also a number of Republican politicians are now writing foreign governments asking them to investigate the 2016 election. I think they think that helps trump.

Conundrum wrote:

The Trump campaign is paying for 1 million dollars worth of anti-biden television ads in the early primary states to swing the votes away from Biden.

Proof that he's singling out Biden? I've seen him attacking every major candidate.

Obviously Trump fears Biden more than other candidates.

That's total hogwash. Trump would make mincemeat of Biden.

Also a number of Republican politicians are now writing foreign governments asking them to investigate the 2016 election. I think they think that helps trump.

They would do that against any top rated candidate, and Biden is easy pickings for them.

Indeed ... wrote:

L L wrote:

Biden would beat Trump like a drum

That's what TRUMP does to himself in private, after fondling the women and little girls out in public.

^Clarified

Proof? wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

The Trump campaign is paying for 1 million dollars worth of anti-biden television ads in the early primary states to swing the votes away from Biden.

Proof that he's singling out Biden? I've seen him attacking every major candidate.

Obviously Trump fears Biden more than other candidates.

That's total hogwash. Trump would make mincemeat of Biden.

Also a number of Republican politicians are now writing foreign governments asking them to investigate the 2016 election. I think they think that helps trump.

They would do that against any top rated candidate, and Biden is easy pickings for them.

Correct on all counts.

#Trumplandslide

KAG2020

DeBron Lames wrote:

I think Biden is going to be tarnished by this Ukraine/Hunter Biden connection. Maybe he survives. But he's also old, and prone to gaffes. I don't think he ends up as the nominee.

Bernie's now ill, and frankly, I don't see the groundswell of support for him that we saw in 2016. Time marches on.

That's opening things up very well for Warren. I'm not convinced she can win.

We really need to keep Mayor Pete and another moderate or two in the field at least into next Spring.

+1 on this. the interesting thing about mayor pete is that he is a dem in republican city so he can get republican votes. if a moderate takes it for the dems, the trump hating republicans are given a decent alternative. if the dems elect a far left candidate, trump wins.