Deanouk wrote:
Coe had pbs of 51.8, 1:56.0, 3:55.0 and 8:34.6 at 16; all run in 1973.
At this time he was puny, very much still a child. About 5'5" and less than 100lb.
If so, that's totally amazing.
17 year old Max Burgin front runs 1:45.39!
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Is that right? wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
Coe had pbs of 51.8, 1:56.0, 3:55.0 and 8:34.6 at 16; all run in 1973.
At this time he was puny, very much still a child. About 5'5" and less than 100lb.
If so, that's totally amazing.
BFD. Laban Rotich ran 1:43 and 3:29 at 5'4" and 99 lbs. -
Coevett wrote:
Herb Elliott 17 seconds faster than Roger Bannister over a mile at the same age (20).
Elliott was only 9 years older than Bannister too, so almost the same generation.
Which means that Elliott was the first to break 4 minutes for a mile, since he did it at age 20. -
laban the man wrote:
Laban Rotich ran 1:43 and 3:29 at 5'4" and 99 lbs.
Awesome. What age was he though? -
Deanouk wrote:
zxcvzcxv wrote:
This race was very, very impressive. 1:45.39 with 52.02/53.3 front-running with no drafting.
Give him a .6 second drop for 500m drafting, 1:44.8, then maybe a 1/2 second for a smaller positive split than ideal for 800m, supposedly. 1:44.3. With the extra push of racing others, I expect he'll dip under 1:44 this year. 1:43.8 is my guess.
At 17, this kid might well be a medal contender by next year or the following world's. However, he only ran 3:47.7 in the 1500m last year and doesn't have any 400s listed on IAAF so hard to judge the ultimate ceiling at 8 and 15.
Yes it was very, very impressive, but since when should an 800m runner expect 500m of drafting in a race? They don't really get behind someone until almost 200m, so 500m from there would bring them to 700m! I think the most you can adjust for lack of drafting would be 200m. Anything more and they would be lucky in a time trial situation. 200m of drafting might give him 0.3/0.4sec.And I don't think having the rest of the field around him would make him run much faster. I think he'll be doing great if he gets down to 1:44high by the end of the season running against seniors.
truth. Forget drafting, you still have to pick your feet up and put them down. There is something to be said for a clean view and no choppy strides.
This kid is really strong, and patient. A lot of talent. More in his head than his body, which is way more important. It will be easier to find a little more speed than more strength -
dunes runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Herb Elliott 17 seconds faster than Roger Bannister over a mile at the same age (20).
Elliott was only 9 years older than Bannister too, so almost the same generation.
Which means that Elliott was the first to break 4 minutes for a mile, since he did it at age 20.
Hahah, yes, unfortunately my slip - I mean't to type Elliott was only 9 years younger. -
ja trolt wrote:
I'll be interested to see how the kid develops. I doubt he'll get Wilson's ER, but will probably get down to 1:42 low/1:41 high at some point.
Interesting, are you related to Ventolin?
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i dont trust british sport,or athletics,or athletes as far as i could kick them.the bulky brits are almost as drugged out of their minds as the americans,and of course both nations get a free pass. lets hope max is doing it clean,and proper.hes certainly an extraordinary talent,if he is.
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jeff tallon wrote:
i dont trust british sport,or athletics,or athletes as far as i could kick them.the bulky brits are almost as drugged out of their minds as the americans,and of course both nations get a free pass. lets hope max is doing it clean,and proper.hes certainly an extraordinary talent,if he is.
You seem to be obsessed with bulk
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He is
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Troll Patrol. wrote:
ja trolt wrote:
I'll be interested to see how the kid develops. I doubt he'll get Wilson's ER, but will probably get down to 1:42 low/1:41 high at some point.
Interesting, are you related to Ventolin?
Can he beat Crams windy 1-42?
Thank goodness I'm not.
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Troll Patrol. wrote:
ja trolt wrote:
I'll be interested to see how the kid develops. I doubt he'll get Wilson's ER, but will probably get down to 1:42 low/1:41 high at some point.
Interesting, are you related to Ventolin?
Can he beat Crams windy 1-42?
Cram never ran a ‘windy 1:42!’
His only 1:42 was a 1:42.88 when in the beat form of his life, running in great conditions in Zurich 85.
He ran a 1:43.22 in slightly windy conditions in the Commonwealths in 86, which was worth sub 1:43 in a paced race in good conditions. -
You're right
It was a windy 1000m from cram in 2-12 high -
There wasn't any wind, but a faster field on a track like Monaco or Rieti he would go under 1:45.
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Troll Patrol. wrote:
You're right
It was a windy 1000m from cram in 2-12 high
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Subway Surfers wrote:
Troll Patrol. wrote:
You're right
It was a windy 1000m from cram in 2-12 high
Any footage of this?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2553/6266/articles/Luminare.jpg?v=1534363778 -
Put the U23 final in the weeds.
Max turned 17 just over a month ago. Broke 1:50 when he was 15. I'm sold. Hope he doesn't get waylaid by the womenfolk.
I realize most U23s probably aren't training for this, but the only other quality track performance over the two days was Amber Anning's U20 400m 52.54 CBP. Some lean years ahead for UK Athletics. -
Amazing run.
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smoothest wrote:
smoothest wrote:
YMMV wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen anyone but Rudisha run a 1:45 so smoothly like that in all the the hundreds of races I've seen. Just seems so masterful...at barely 17!
Not trying to jinx anyone, but the closest I can relate to this is German's indoor 3:55 his freshman year:
https://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=19850
Then you never watched Kipketer race.
Such as this race where he negative split a 1:45.08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jznJeZRBUxI
That is a 1:41 guy running tactically, he doesn't take the lead until after 700m. What Max did was very different. I'm pretty sure that Wilson had a rabbit for all or most of his PB races. Plus Wilson was an experienced master of his craft. What Max did was much more similar to the Fernandez race I linked above. A very special run by an up-and-coming talent. -
Also noteworthy in this race is Fin Mclear who is a freshman at Miami University (Ohio). Got third with a 1:47.3 which puts him 12th in the NCAA overall and the fastest freshman in the NCAA via TFRRS. The future for him is very promising.
