For all of the idiots who try to argue that anyone can be good as a result of training regardless of genetics, why don't you all train to be Olympians? Most college runners do train like that yet most end up in D3 running 16 minutes or 1:56 while the guys with superior genes do the same training and run 13:30 or 1:45.
All of those guys are either too young and dumb to know better or they "didn't realize until it was too late".
Wigins believes he would have been built like Kiprop is he was deprived of food as a child for example. But he wasn't so that's his out.
zzzz wrote:
mhm123321 wrote:
Meaning that if someone starts at 2:00 minute 800 meter with no training, they have a chance of breaking 1:48 with training. Now on the other hand, someone that starts from 2:20 with no training has NO chance of breaking 1:50, probably not even the 2 minute mark.
Don't underestimate how slow someone can be with no training. Jim Ryun's first mile was 5:38 or 5:39, so probably a 2:20 800 runner on no training.
My 400m and mile PBs are 62.8 and 5:07 respectively. I wouldn’t say I’m undertrained, I never ran track but I did play football when I was younger, however in terms of raw speed I was one of the slower ones on the team. The point is, I am about average in both speed and talent and by some of the replies on this thread, it takes a few standard deviations above average to get into the 1:47point range but as it stands, I enjoy training hard and pushing myself so I see no reason to give up trying to get as fast as I can.
it may be more useful to set incremental goals en route to stellar times (e.g. sub 1:50).
Last year i ran 2:11.7 in the 8. It was my PR in October. Then I got injured, took some time off. Then i trained consistently for about 5 months and ran 2:05.92 this May. My stretch goal was to run 2 flat this outdoor season. My realistic goal was sub 2:06. Even though 2:05 high is not exactly the bees knees, it was an improvement and a stepping stone on my more ambitious goals (Sub 2 and ultimately even lower!).
Things that you can improve upon which take time to improve
- agility
- power
-strength
- racing tactics
- aerobic base
- psychology
- technique (ideally from a sprint coach to learn proper form / top end speed generation)
Godspeed! Hope you start chipping away at your goals.
zzzz wrote:
mhm123321 wrote:
Meaning that if someone starts at 2:00 minute 800 meter with no training, they have a chance of breaking 1:48 with training. Now on the other hand, someone that starts from 2:20 with no training has NO chance of breaking 1:50, probably not even the 2 minute mark.
Don't underestimate how slow someone can be with no training. Jim Ryun's first mile was 5:38 or 5:39, so probably a 2:20 800 runner on no training.
Jim Ryun is the most talented American miler that has ever lived and the 5:38 first ever mile story is just not believable. He supposedly ran that in the Fall of his sophomore year and went on to run 4:07 the next Spring. It's a great story, but they probably left out the part about it being run in 40mph winds or that he chugged a beer every lap
If a human can run a mile in 5:40 off absolutely zero training is phenomenal. Some of you seriously forget how fast these paces are for somebody who doesn’t train/run. Most non-runners cannot even break 10 minutes. and even most athletic but not running males struggle to break 8 minutes.