Too much testing heat right now for Kenyans. The marathon is easier to dodge testing.
EPOpians are still going strong in the 5k because they are still enjoying a free for all with much less testing.
In short, it is all about the doping.
Too much testing heat right now for Kenyans. The marathon is easier to dodge testing.
EPOpians are still going strong in the 5k because they are still enjoying a free for all with much less testing.
In short, it is all about the doping.
No comprende wrote:
yyy wrote:
Look at the roads. Literally.
What? So you're saying the Ethiopians who dominate the 5000 now are so dumb that they don't see they could make a ton more money in the marathon?
So exactly how much more does someone make winning the Ottawa or Rome marathon or placing 3rd in Rotterdam or Berlin vs being the top 3 in the DL 5000 circuit? Who will know you if you are 3rd in Berlin vs 3rd in the DL circuit?
I read an interview with Canova a few years ago. He said that the prize money in distance track peaked in 1999 and then went down considerably. One of Moses Kiptanui´s WR pacers made more money than a 5000 DL winner does now.
Only in idiot Coevett land is a 53% increase "nearly doubled".
Coevett wrote:
The decline in Kenyan 5K times is astonishing, and it has an obvious explanation.
In 2000 Kenya had 8 men under 13 minutes. In 2010, they also had 8 men under 13 minutes. In the last THREE seasons (2016/17/18) they had just two men barely under 13 minutes (both 12:59).
I assume you are saying that the obvious explanation is drug testing.
But that doesn't explain why Ethiopia is still good (or are you saying the testing isn't good there). I do think Ethiopia gets a free pass and I've heard testing wasn't good there.
Roads, Roads, Roads equals $$$$, Track not so much.
Swamp wrote:
My mistake. I forgot the 2015 world championships where Tsegay got the silver. I’m owning up to that.
That still doesn’t mean Kenya sucks at the roads as Coevett claims.
Totally agree, if you look at podium finishes of WMM, it becomes even more incredibly one sided in favor Kenya
Easy answer, No money in training specifically for the 5k if you're not a medalist on the track. If you're training for the 5k, your range ends at around 10k. Not many (of course there are some that can) 5k runners can run well in events below 3k or events above 10k and even sometimes struggle in the 10k.
When you are marathon training or half marathon training, your range is much wider. You can still have success at events ranging from 10k - Marathon because of the style of training. Kenyans have more opportunities to make money across those various distances. Plus, road racing is the scene that is paying out right now. There's not really much money going into track races if you're not top 3. There's not much sponsorship into being a track runner unless you have a large social media following. If you don't, you're just another name out there. You have a better chance of picking up a better contract with better incentives being a 2:06-2:08 marathoner than being a 13:00-13:10 kenyan. There's a lot more money to being a 59:00-60:00 kenyan than a 13:00-13:10 kenyan.
well,, wrote:
No comprende wrote:
What? So you're saying the Ethiopians who dominate the 5000 now are so dumb that they don't see they could make a ton more money in the marathon?
So exactly how much more does someone make winning the Ottawa or Rome marathon or placing 3rd in Rotterdam or Berlin vs being the top 3 in the DL 5000 circuit? Who will know you if you are 3rd in Berlin vs 3rd in the DL circuit?
I read an interview with Canova a few years ago. He said that the prize money in distance track peaked in 1999 and then went down considerably. One of Moses Kiptanui´s WR pacers made more money than a 5000 DL winner does now.
Each win in a DL is $10,000, with the winner of the discipline getting $40,000. So the top guy in the 5000 could win 5 times during the year and become overall winner of discipline. That's $90,000. That's without any sponsorship. So you are saying pacers are making more than $90,000? Who besides a couple of Kenyans on the road are making more than $90,000?
money is in the marathons...
itai wrote:
money is in the marathons...
Outside of a couple of marathons, no.
They are really all nearly 40 years old?
sadaf wrote:
itai wrote:
money is in the marathons...
Outside of a couple of marathons, no.
Make a list of marathons where the winner makes more than $3k
Now make me a list of track meets where the winner of each event makes more than just $300
That list of marathons will be WAY WAY WAY bigger. A consistent 2:12 guy can pick the right marathons and half marathons and make $50k+ in a year from 2 marathons, 5 half marathons, and a few random 5k/10k races that pay a $500+ a piece. A 13:20 track person is lucky to find more than a few track races a year where they can make just $1k each.
Running under 2:10? Now you're talking $100k+ in a year if you're picking the right races and being a 'road hoar' (spelled wrong on purpose) while the equivalent ranking in the world would be like a 13:15 guy who's lucky to make $20k on the track for prize money, and that's if they're American making good money at USATF outdoor and indoor.
Also patriotism runs deeper in Ethiopia. The Ethiopian people respect and appreciate their athletes a lot more than in Kenya where the general population can't even recognize their Olympic gold medalists.
Kenyans athletes are far more driven by money than by patriotism. Which is why Kenyans follow the money a lot more than Ethiopians do. And as many have stated, there is more money on the roads.
Money vs patriotism is also why a Kenyan is far more likely to defect to Bahrain, Qatar, Turkey, USA or whichever country offers him better economic prospects. Ethiopian runners defect to other countries at a far lower rate than Kenyans . Many Ethiopians who defected actually did it because they were refugees or new residents in that country. Many Kenyans who run for Bahrain and Qatar still live in Kenya.
Coevett wrote:
So the population of Kenya has nearly doubled since Kipchoge beat El G and Bekele as an 18 year old,
Nearly doubled? From 34 to 50 millions, that's not nearly doubled. But he is obsessed by Kenyas population explosion.
Yes it isssssss wrote:
sadaf wrote:
Outside of a couple of marathons, no.
Make a list of marathons where the winner makes more than $3k
Now make me a list of track meets where the winner of each event makes more than just $300
That list of marathons will be WAY WAY WAY bigger. A consistent 2:12 guy can pick the right marathons and half marathons and make $50k+ in a year from 2 marathons, 5 half marathons, and a few random 5k/10k races that pay a $500+ a piece. A 13:20 track person is lucky to find more than a few track races a year where they can make just $1k each.
Running under 2:10? Now you're talking $100k+ in a year if you're picking the right races and being a 'road hoar' (spelled wrong on purpose) while the equivalent ranking in the world would be like a 13:15 guy who's lucky to make $20k on the track for prize money, and that's if they're American making good money at USATF outdoor and indoor.
Idiotic. Barega and Kejelcha made more money than any Kenyan other than Kipchoge last year. Do they do any marathons? Duhh
A 2:12 marathoner is lucky to break $5,000. Duhh
ddddd wrote:
Yes it isssssss wrote:
Make a list of marathons where the winner makes more than $3k
Now make me a list of track meets where the winner of each event makes more than just $300
That list of marathons will be WAY WAY WAY bigger. A consistent 2:12 guy can pick the right marathons and half marathons and make $50k+ in a year from 2 marathons, 5 half marathons, and a few random 5k/10k races that pay a $500+ a piece. A 13:20 track person is lucky to find more than a few track races a year where they can make just $1k each.
Running under 2:10? Now you're talking $100k+ in a year if you're picking the right races and being a 'road hoar' (spelled wrong on purpose) while the equivalent ranking in the world would be like a 13:15 guy who's lucky to make $20k on the track for prize money, and that's if they're American making good money at USATF outdoor and indoor.
Idiotic. Barega and Kejelcha made more money than any Kenyan other than Kipchoge last year. Do they do any marathons? Duhh
A 2:12 marathoner is lucky to break $5,000. Duhh
There is no way in h*ll Kejelcha made more in 2018 than Keitany, Cherono, or Kipkemoi, for starters.
play the fjord wrote:
ddddd wrote:
Idiotic. Barega and Kejelcha made more money than any Kenyan other than Kipchoge last year. Do they do any marathons? Duhh
A 2:12 marathoner is lucky to break $5,000. Duhh
There is no way in h*ll Kejelcha made more in 2018 than Keitany, Cherono, or Kipkemoi, for starters.
Kejelcha made $70,000 last year. Rotterdam & Amsterdam winners get $30-40,000.
The big question is since the Kenya fanboys claim everyone has gone to the marathon, then why are Ethiopians winning more prize in the 5000 & marathons now??? 11 Ethiopians in top 20 for marathon. Only 5 Kenyans last year.
Yup. Kejelcha earned $40,000 in just one race last year...by being 1st in the indoor WCs. Marathon where the money is my azz.
Coevett said So the population of Kenya has nearly doubled since Kipchoge beat El G and Bekele as an 18 year old...
this refers to the World Championship in Paris in August 2003: 1. Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) 12:52.79; 2. Hicham El Guerrouj (MAR) 12:52.83; 3. Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) 12:53.12
the population of Kenya in 2003 was... 34.13 million
the population of Kenya today is... 52.21 million
that is an increase of... 18.08 million (52.97%)
the population of Ethiopia in 2003 was... 72.55 million
the population of Ethiopia today is... 109.85 million
that is an increase of... 37.3 million (51.4%)
conclusion: the population of Ethiopia has gone up by a similar amount, just over fifty percent, and therefore Kenya's "population explosion" is not a factor in the decline of Kenyan vs Ethiopian 5000m running.
cheers.
rojo wrote:
Coevett wrote:
The decline in Kenyan 5K times is astonishing, and it has an obvious explanation.
In 2000 Kenya had 8 men under 13 minutes. In 2010, they also had 8 men under 13 minutes. In the last THREE seasons (2016/17/18) they had just two men barely under 13 minutes (both 12:59).
I assume you are saying that the obvious explanation is drug testing.
But that doesn't explain why Ethiopia is still good (or are you saying the testing isn't good there). I do think Ethiopia gets a free pass and I've heard testing wasn't good there.
This seems like a troll. The real reason that Kenya hasn't done well in the 5000m recently is because Cheserek hasn't been on the track.