That's it. I'm calling BS on Brigid Kosgei's London performance

Rosa must have a deal with Seb Coe. Rosa must be delivering the highest quality canoli and coffee into London for Coe or something.

Coevett wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

For sure people would get banned today if their ABP showed such wild fluctuations like Paula had in 2003/5. After that, she returned to normal, and couldn't brake 2:23 anymore.

I know logic doesn't matter much here, but don't you think being 32, having a kid, taking a year off, and then suffering a stress fracture in her lower back, might have had something to do with that?

Being 32 - no. Having a kid and taking a year off - no. Stress fracture in the lower back - definitely yes. I have a stress fracture in the lower back and it's bad....very bad. So, you're right on one account and that's probably the main reason for her slowdown.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Banana Bread wrote:

How the fukk is Gabrielle Rosa still allowed to coach?

Welcome to the IAAF, I hope you enjoy what you see.

However, doesn't Canova think Rosa is pretty good Joe? ?

It's crazy out there wrote:

You're kidding me....Kosgei is managed by the Rosas? Didn't the Rosas manage that full-throttle doper Jeptoo? It's getting simply crazy out there with the Kenyans and their affiliation with the Rosas!

Not just Jeptoo and Kiprop:

Rita Jeptoo

Jemima Sumgong

Asbel Kiprop

Matthew Kipsorio

Agatha Jeruto

Emily Chebet

Pamela Chepchumba

James Mwangi Wangari

Lucy Kabuu Wangui

Sarah Chepchirchir

Probably all a coincidence. After all, the Rosas both said that they are really really against doping.

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Do you want to try the truth for a change?

Actually, indeed I do agree that today's dopers could run faster if they weren't limited by the ABP - like for example Paula in 03/05 - so you got one thing right this time. Do you really disagree with that?

What's the opinion of Kenyan coaches? wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Welcome to the IAAF, I hope you enjoy what you see.

However, doesn't Canova think Rosa is pretty good Joe? ?

Isn't it game theory? The prisoner's dilemma?

Did some drugs cause her to pee herself?

Not to mention her horrible form. Massive upper body twist and over-striding. I’ve never seen a sub 2:20 be done with such a disaster on the body. Something else was driving her forward.

Well maybe it's best we don't debate with each other then because I seem to be mistaking statements you make here as arguments rather than random burps. So when you say something like - 'Paula had suspicious blood figures in 2003/05 then couldn't break 2:23 again, you didn't mean anything by the 'couldn't break 2:23 again'? You were just burping out loud, so to speak, and didn't mean to communicate anything by that random point? I'm wrong and a liar again to conclude you were making the claim that as evidence that Paula doped (before 2006)? What happened in 2004 by the way? Do you think she decided to lay off the EPO during Olympic year for some unknown reason?

And I'm pretty sure on at least several times you've clearly stated your belief that Nick Willis setting a pb late in his career was suspicious and evidence that he doped. In fact, one one occasion you agreed that it implied that he didn't dope earlier, but decided in 2015 or thereabouts that 'if he can't beat them, join them' (leaving aside he did beat them in the 2008 Olympic final, or at least all the cheats who haven't so far subsequently failed tests).

Yes, I agree that today's dopers could run faster if not limited by the ABP. I'm sure you've read me claim many times, and provide stats to back it up, that Kenyan times are declining in most events due to improved testing.

It still doesn't necessarily prove that Paula doped, nor that today's runners would run as fast as her if they weren't limited (Paula's rivals obviously weren't limited back then, or no more than her, and she was still minutes faster).

Oregon born wrote:

Not to mention her horrible form. Massive upper body twist and over-striding. I’ve never seen a sub 2:20 be done with such a disaster on the body. Something else was driving her forward.

Although Jeptoo never broke 2:20, she ran 2:20:14 and has much worse form.

whoknows wrote:

I thought she also looked so stoic as she finished and had read something about dopers not showing actual joy at the time of their victories. But then there are plenty of pictures of Rita Jeptoo acting happy and exultant breaking the finish line.

I wouldn't read too much into that. I spoke to her briefly the day after she won Chicago. She is very shy and barely speaks English.

For what it's worth, I went out for a 12 mile training run on the marathon course pre-race at London and was spectating at 22.5 miles for the entire duration of the elite races. There was a significant breeze from the West that would have cost the runners 30 seconds or more across the race in my opinion. An easterly breeze wouldn't have slowed them.

I hope Kosgei is clean, but based on previous history and the Rosa connection it wouldn't surprise me if she is busted at some point in the future.

Coevett wrote:

runn wrote:

They've been catching and banning Kenyans so, hopefully, if she's dirty they'll catch her.

Who knows? Maybe that's why we can't get more Americans under 2:10 and we don't have guys running sub 2:06 every weekend.

It's a symbiotic process. The more Africans dope, the less likely non-African clean talent is to enter and stay in the sport. I doubt it's a co-incidence that in the last few years when it seems at least efforts are being made to make it a cleaner sport, non-African times and performances have been improving again.

Its like measles vaccinations

Aussiestatman wrote:

runn wrote:

They've been catching and banning Kenyans so, hopefully, if she's dirty they'll catch her.

Who knows? Maybe that's why we can't get more Americans under 2:10 and we don't have guys running sub 2:06 every weekend.

Can’t get more Americans under 2.10 because you refuse to get juiced up? Lol. With a population as large as yours and a well used system of road runs, surely the top one percent of your professionals should be able to crack that.

This is true.

The problem with the US runner is he spends all his time on letsrun discussing what he has to do to break 2:20.

Or creating workouts and asking everyone here what his predicted time is.

And of course the need to get a job. In Australia where I came from, I never worried about work. Only about running, and never even when it wold end.

Here the athletes are working instead of running, and trying to balance their work with the occasional workouts. They aren't truly committed.

And for most athletes sport ends after high school. If they haven't made it then they quit.

If only Kosgei were British.

Then she could could enjoy the UKAD's / Crammy's/Seb's all-forgiving embrace whenever doping infractions occurred.

For exampls, the likes of Sally Gunnell and Christina Ohuruogu who went on to become olympic champions and world record holders when they should have been serving bans for missed doping tests.

Except Kosgei hasn't missed any tests, and is not an olympic champion and is not a world record holder! We have supreme brit athletes bang to rights breaking the doping rules but they aren't suspicious???!! What a joke..

Pity the Foo wrote:

If only Kosgei were British.

Then she could could enjoy the UKAD's / Crammy's/Seb's all-forgiving embrace whenever doping infractions occurred.

For exampls, the likes of Sally Gunnell and Christina Ohuruogu who went on to become olympic champions and world record holders when they should have been serving bans for missed doping tests.

Except Kosgei hasn't missed any tests, and is not an olympic champion and is not a world record holder! We have supreme brit athletes bang to rights breaking the doping rules but they aren't suspicious???!! What a joke..

What are you talking about? I'm regularly accused of 'lying' for misspelling names or getting dates wrong by a year or something, and anonymous trolls like you just make stuff up and don't get called out on it.

I'm not going to waste much time here but :

1/ Gunnell and Ohuruogu were about 20 years before Coe became IAAF head, and Cram was still competing when they were, so what the hell have Coe and Cram got to do with it?

2/ UK had the strictest regulations for missed tests at the time. Gunnell missed one test because she checked out of her accommodation early and didn't tell the UKAD her new whereabouts. An inquiry was held which she describes as like being 'interrogated by the police'. Compare this to Kenya in 2019 where the testers text the athletes 24 hours beforehand to let them know and to make sure they have their tea money ready.

3/ Ohuruogu was banned for one year and from the Olympics (by Uk Athletics) forever.

4/ Personally I think Gunnell was dirty as hell.

You have a problem with comprehension perhaps, and a problem with history, no doubt.

PERFORMANCE PLACE DATE

2019 2:18:20 London (GBR) 28 APR 2019

2018 2:18:35 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018

2017 2:20:22 Chicago, IL (USA) 08 OCT 2017

2016 2:24:45 Lisboa (POR) 02 OCT 2016

2015 2:47:59 Porto (POR) 08 NOV 2015

At almost 22 years she only ran a 2:48 marathon. Now, at 25 years she is running 2:18.

Either she is one of the greatest late-bloomers of all time, or she is a chemical experiment.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

PERFORMANCE PLACE DATE

2019 2:18:20 London (GBR) 28 APR 2019

2018 2:18:35 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2018

2017 2:20:22 Chicago, IL (USA) 08 OCT 2017

2016 2:24:45 Lisboa (POR) 02 OCT 2016

2015 2:47:59 Porto (POR) 08 NOV 2015

At almost 22 years she only ran a 2:48 marathon. Now, at 25 years she is running 2:18.

Either she is one of the greatest late-bloomers of all time, or she is a chemical experiment.

Don’t read into that...Porto was her first international race ever and she won the race. It was on a slow course and everyone ran slow. I’m sure she was told to run with the pack and make a move when ready as it was he first race. You left out other marathons but besides for her debut, her progression seems very normal. It is different because she didn’t come from the track so it wasn’t like many runners today like Tirunesh who are already great when they move to marathon.

I have neither, and doubt if anybody would agree from reading your post and my reply. But well done Casual Observer/Putin Troll for turning a discussion of Kosgei into a 'discussion' on Coe and Cram using their IAAF roles to get Gunnel and Ohuruogu off the hook 27 years ago (leaving aside Ohuruogu didn't even get off the hook and was banned for life from the Olympics by the UK).