Jordan Hasay Wins St. Patrick's Day 15k in 51:31 (2:25:04 marathon pace)

crumpline wrote:

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

That was not the point. She has nothing to prove by beating her legs up more just to pass a bunch of guys who do not affect her in any way. Plus her "training run" after was something like an 8-mile tempo.

Nope.

She isn't going to be able lollygag early and come home in a quality race. She needs to get used to a harder pace. She can play around in later run.

The second run for the day was on her own or with friends. Racers need to race. It feels different running a race, than it does running hard with nothing at the end.

If you want to be average, do average things. No female athlete is without a great pace opportunity. There's always plenty of guys running fast enough for them to key off.

If only she'd race every other weekend, she could be as successful as you! I actually hope you are trolling.

gsimmons2005 wrote:

Looks like she has new 5% on

Nope.

Just FYI on everyone commenting on her "slow" time, the half marathon and 15k are identical courses (with the half having a flat 4 mile out and back section at the beginning) with a 3+ mile section that has 600 feet of vert in the middle of the race. It's a fun course, but not fast.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

crumpline wrote:

Nope.

She isn't going to be able lollygag early and come home in a quality race. She needs to get used to a harder pace. She can play around in later run.

The second run for the day was on her own or with friends. Racers need to race. It feels different running a race, than it does running hard with nothing at the end.

If you want to be average, do average things. No female athlete is without a great pace opportunity. There's always plenty of guys running fast enough for them to key off.

If only she'd race every other weekend, she could be as successful as you! I actually hope you are trolling.

To be straight, she is only successful over here.

Like Pre.

I was overseas, and he was over rated.

You guys are all too tied up in popularity. I think she has a lot of potential but she's nowhere near where she can or should be.

You guys are all so tied up in your schedules and training programs, and your posting, that its become an intellectual exercise. You're looking for the guarantee.

My team mates were Olympians and medalists. And WR holders. I know what they did and how they tackled it. You guys are all waiting for the perfect moment.

It never comes. There is not enough racing over here. Its all set up for the magic event that rarely happens.

crumpline wrote:

My team mates were Olympians and medalists. And WR holders. I know what they did and how they tackled it. You guys are all waiting for the perfect moment.

It never comes. There is not enough racing over here. Its all set up for the magic event that rarely happens.

And where are these teammates now, health-wise? Do you really think that training knowledge has declined over the past ~40 years (you said you were around during Pre's time). I have also had Olympian and N/WR teammates and friends if this is a competition.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

crumpline wrote:

My team mates were Olympians and medalists. And WR holders. I know what they did and how they tackled it. You guys are all waiting for the perfect moment.

It never comes. There is not enough racing over here. Its all set up for the magic event that rarely happens.

And where are these teammates now, health-wise? Do you really think that training knowledge has declined over the past ~40 years (you said you were around during Pre's time). I have also had Olympian and N/WR teammates and friends if this is a competition.

Doing great except the ones that are dead. Its a long time as you hinted.

But you obviously need to get out of the sport if you think racing in a race season is going to send you to an early grave.

In fact if you wanted to be a contender your long term preservation is the last thing you think of. Seriously. You obviously are not committed. Yeah I am old and limping, but I have the medals I deserved and raced for.

If you aren't prepared to race, gtf out of the event. There are fitness runners, and contenders. There are only a few contenders, and they never think of the price. Pre was a contender. He was lost too early. Not from running. Doing what we all used to do back then. As was Ivo VanDamme.

Careers are short enough as it is without you all keeping yourself in cotton wool.

And its not training knowledge I am talking about. Its racing. Americans can't race worth a darn unless all the stars line up. There is plenty of talent here. Plenty. But most of it is afraid to lose.

Look at the Ingobritsens. (sp) They run hard and they race. He's already had twice the career as most guys who run his distances and he's a kid.