Breaking: An Absolute Travesty! USATF WILL NOT honor top 3 finish at US Olympic Trials unless you have the standard!!!

sdfafds wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

I don't think there's any corruption. They are trying to create a qualification system that rewards places instead of times, it just happens to be too complicated for most people (at least if this thread is representative) to understand

Irony Alert. You mischaracterized at least 3 other people posts. So I guess posting is too complicated for you

No I didn't.

I completely disagree. I think this is a POSITIVE development, especially for the distance events, where too often somebody that turns out to run absolutely CRAPPY at the Olympic Games manages to squeak through our Olympic Trials because they got lucky on that particular day. I'm tired of seeing TURD US distance runners making Olympic teams with absolutely crappy times because of the "tactical" racing crap. As for the 1500m specifically, the rest of the world considers sub 3:30 to be a mark of excellence. In the US, runners think they are hot stuff if they manage to break 3:40...ONCE.

I'm in favor of sending the BEST team to the Olympics, not a team full of turds that happen to get lucky on a particular day.

The argument was everyone good enough to make the team would have a high enough rank if not the 2:11. I don’t agree but the solution is make 2:11 the trials qualifying time. If you can’t run 2:11 you can’t medal. There aren’t 100, 400m runners permitted to race in the trials.

A lot of up and comers will be relatively new to the marathon. I don't think Ward would have acted differently in 2016 if the rules are like they are now. He wasn't a favorite, and he had no foreknowledge that he'd be 6th the Olympics. He was a just 2:12:56 guy going into Trials, and had only run 3 marathons total. He had only run one in each of the 3 years before the trials.

Clock tower pumpkin girl wrote:

Do you think Ryun would have sweated a qualifying time?

Shorter?

Rodgers?

Steve Scott?

Salazar?

Nope.

End of thread, it’s all click bait.

Shorter never ran 27:28, so yes, he would have sweated that.

bleu wrote:

The argument was everyone good enough to make the team would have a high enough rank if not the 2:11. I don’t agree but the solution is make 2:11 the trials qualifying time. If you can’t run 2:11 you can’t medal. There aren’t 100, 400m runners permitted to race in the trials.

Galen Rupp medaled and he hadn't run 2:11 before the trials. Under your brilliant solution he wouldn't even be in the trials. Congrats, you came up with a far dumber plan than the USATF!

someone said they can't believe that the USATF is not backing up US athetes and defending the US trials process beloved by athletes, fans and media alike.

say what?

i've been watching the USTAF for twenty years, and since when did they ever represent the well being of US athletes?

the USTAF's proven function is to collect fees and crony up to IAAF and OG and feed at the trough, wine and dine,

like the royalty they think they are, or wanna be.

pigs at a trough don't do nothing but eat and fart and then go to sleep.

i accept your thanks in advance for clearing your vision on this issue.

zzzz wrote:

Clock tower pumpkin girl wrote:

Do you think Ryun would have sweated a qualifying time?

Shorter?

Rodgers?

Steve Scott?

Salazar?

Nope.

End of thread, it’s all click bait.

Shorter never ran 27:28, so yes, he would have sweated that.

why do you think shorter should qualify? he was like only #5 in the world.

in response to my grammar or lack there of,

it's like bill murray said in space jam basketball.

woooah, i don't play defense ...

longjack wrote:

zzzz wrote:

Shorter never ran 27:28, so yes, he would have sweated that.

why do you think shorter should qualify? he was like only #5 in the world.

Bring a young, time-transported Shorter to 2020, he could get top 3 at trials, but not go if there were 3 other dudes with a 27:28 qualifier finishing last, second to last, and third to last in the race.

like 9 guys qualfied last year, and few of the top 10 iaaf ranked guys have the standard...

longjack wrote:

https://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/middle-long/10000-metres/outdoor/men/senior/2018?regionType=world&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true

like 9 guys qualfied last year, and few of the top 10 iaaf ranked guys have the standard...

You're saying there wouldn't be three Americans with a 27:28? I'm talking theoreticals, and yes, it's ridiculous. But there is a very good chance the US is screwing themselves with the policy if Gault and rojo are reading it correctly. I haven't read their article yet though, lol.

this is interesting im not sure the email clearly says what brojos said it says ' For the U.S., the three highest-placing finishers at the 2020 U.S. Olympic Trials, and who have the 2020 Olympic Games qualifying standard, will select themselves for the U.S. Team' to me qualifying standard would mean all ways to qualify time top ten at a major for marathons and rankings why am i wrong in thinking that?

So if an athlete gets the standard before trials but comes in fourth behind someone who didn’t, then does that athlete with the standard go to the olympics?

Interesting to see, in the IAAF rankings, the huge number of Japanese running between 27.50-28.11 for 10,000, far more than any other country, incl. -Ethiopia/Kenya.

That is the Jap sweet spot for 10,000, right around 28.00 mins ...way more than any other country.

Ghost in China

The answer to your question is unclear in any answer provided in communications with the misinterpreters who run and write for this site.

Chasing? The time standard date is the day after the OTs end so there is no time to chase and is not a USATF choice. The closing date for performances to be considered for ranking is the same date as the closing date for time entry standard.

Hardloper wrote:

Star wrote:

I guess the nightmare scenario is this:

Two American men put up a 2:10 time and finish first and second.

Another American man manages to get ranked through a series of races but his fastest time is 2:15.

Rupp runs one race, a 2:05 but finishes fourth at the Trials.

This system puts Rupp on the team but the travesty is that the 2:15 runner isn’t selected.

But if you flipped it, some would say the travesty would be leaving Rupp off the team.

No one would think Rupp should be on the team if he only manages 4th at the trials.

Plenty of people would be upset if they put on a 2:15 marathoner on the team instead of him.

Not me, but plenty of people.

Let’s look at some history of the trials.

In 1987 Jim Spivey got a Bronze medal at the World Championships in the 1500m.

In 1988 he finished 4th at the Trials.

Mark Deady was 3rd but didn’t have the standard. He chased and got it.

That knocked Spivey off the team. Spivey set his lifetime PR later that season. Deady didn’t advance at the Games.

In 1996 Spivey was again 4th at the Trials but in the 5000 this time. (He won the 1992 Trials in the 1500)

Spivey had the Olympic standard.

Ronnie Harris, who finished third did not have the standard. He chased but fell a fraction of a second short.

In this case, Spivey finished 4th and made the Olympic team.

We’ve seen Ritz finish last in the 10,000 and make the team due to the time standard.

So there is no issue with putting a qualified 4th place finisher on the Olympic team.

The issue is determining what is acceptable to be considered qualified.

The IOC is giving two paths and that doesn’t help with clarity because there are still having a 3 athlete per country over event limit no matter how many qualified athletes a country has.

what am I missing here??? wrote:

I've always thought that in order to go to the Olympics, one must meet the Olympic time standard and place top three in your running event. How are the new rules any different? Other than the time standards are more difficult?

Exactly correct.

Agreed.