outsiderunner wrote:
Tomorrow is Operation Stop Juan Day...5k in the morning (my boss is the RD). Have been cogitating upon Coach Stone's orders.
What type of course is it? Any tactical plans?
outsiderunner wrote:
Tomorrow is Operation Stop Juan Day...5k in the morning (my boss is the RD). Have been cogitating upon Coach Stone's orders.
What type of course is it? Any tactical plans?
Sub 6:00 - I have not run this course, but my boss says it is pretty fair. Looking at the course map, it does not seem overly hilly. Weather will be cold (about 25F at the start), but not windy...thankfully. Basically, the tactical plan is to stalk, stalk, stalk Juan. I hope to get behind him early on and then feel things out. I really want to do what Stone had suggested for a previous 5k race--to go into another gear somewhere around mid-race. Will see. Right now, I am feeling good about things.
SI et al - I will still lurk about... I just have to concentrate on work and myself.. this project is really big (for me ) and could have good implications on my future... and over the last year spent way way to many working hours on LRC
Love all you guys for sure.... see a lot of you in Boston baby
runrincerepeat wrote:
SI et al - I will still lurk about... I just have to concentrate on work and myself.. this project is really big (for me ) and could have good implications on my future... and over the last year spent way way to many working hours on LRC
Love all you guys for sure.... see a lot of you in Boston baby
I will stop by at Boston as well. Can you refresh me (if you see this) which booth is yours?
Smoove - I laughed at the middle-aged compliment comment regarding the floors. When I get together with my friends from my old clubbing days (we're now all in our 40s and 50s) we lament how all we ever talk about is dental care, heart healthy diets, and real estate investments.
Regarding moderate/moderate vs hard/easy. My observation is that not everyone recovers from a moderate day the same. For myself, I recover very poorly from moderate days - they really don't take much less out of me than a hard day. So, for me, it makes much more sense to go hard, and then balance it out with easy.
But, I can see how someone with a different recovery profile might recover much better from a moderate day (while, perhaps, recovering very poorly from a hard day). In that case, moderate/moderate would be more effective.
And, of course, the above is without even touching on the periodization issues raised earlier by GFMAH and Sub-6:00.
RRR - Best of luck with your endeavors. I totally get the need to unplug from the online world to focus on more important things.
darkwave - Look for the Junk Brands booth.
SI: I could easily do 2 hours of core in a day. I probably will today since I will get home to late to go to the Y. My only other option for a workout would require me to clean off my wife's clothes rack and use the recumbent bike.
GT: Yes, that was intentional. All other misspellings and bad grammar have not been. I will blame Grammarly for the others. As for the fine line between brave and foolish that is just training as a whole. I figure if I can get in cardio, protect my knees, get stronger, and lose a few pounds I'll be way ahead of where I have been when I do start running. Hopefully last longer too.
JamesTheAmateur: No offense but I had to LMAO at your frustrations too. Any day you'd like to trade your broken down 27 year old body for my trashed 48 year old one, Let me know. : ) It be great to feel like a kid again.
In all seriousness though, congrats on your PR. 1:41:09 is pretty good!
Before I kind of left you said something I wished I would of commented on. Something along the lines of being frustrated about TDR's leader board. I wouldn't even worry about where the other people on this board are at. In all honesty as I am sure you and they know, they are some of the best of the best. It is not a healthy comparison. You are at 62%. There is not a chance in heck 38 out of 100 people your age are beating you in any race. With being a father, supporting a family, and going to school you are doing a dang good job.
A few things I will say about your training. If you are really worn out from the workouts. You may be doing them a little too fast or to many reps. Remember those plans are written as a guide line for everyone and are not specific for you. All training is is about building up and tearing down. Tearing down so far that you leave yourself in a hole should only be done in races.
Pappy wrote:Before I kind of left you said something I wished I would of commented on. Something along the lines of being frustrated about TDR's leader board. I wouldn't even worry about where the other people on this board are at. In all honesty as I am sure you and they know, they are some of the best of the best. It is not a healthy comparison. You are at 62%. There is not a chance in heck 38 out of 100 people your age are beating you in any race. With being a father, supporting a family, and going to school you are doing a dang good job.
"Comparison is the thief of joy."
I try to always remember that. It's hard, because we are competing in a sport that is ultimately about comparison - i.e. - did you finish ahead or behind someone else. But the best way to perform your best is to focus on performing YOUR best.
tdr: I may need an update in regard to the leaderboard. Ran a 5k today in 17:32, and now I am 50 years old. Turned 50 at the beginning of this month. Please let me know what you calculate, and I thank you for doing this.
A decent race, but, to be honest, I am a little disappointed that I did not compete better, and run a bit harder. I put on two surges (at about 2.2 and 2.5), but they were covered. Looking back, I think I had enough left to surge again (or go harder overall), but I did not. Was 4th overall.
outsiderunner wrote:
I may need an update in regard to the leaderboard. Ran a 5k today in 17:32, and now I am 50 years old. Turned 50 at the beginning of this month.
Congrats, OR! I'm seeing 84.13% on the calculator. Movin' on up!
Thanks very much, my friend, for confirming this. For some reason, the calculator I normally use was not working properly.
It was a good race, but I think I had more. It measured 3.12 on my watch, and I closed the last .12 in 33.57...4:40 pace...and felt pretty good in doing so. I wish I had gotten that brutal earlier on. Oh well...
Looking forward to checking in with you tonight... :-)
Outside Runner,
Great race. I like that you incorporated those surges. Is there any chance that your signature move of the “full tomahawk” could be incorporated mid-race in conjunction with your surges? I think that is probably the only thing missing to take it to the next level. Good run.
James- I think you are being way too hard on yourself man. Pappy is right. I mean Smoove is basically 50 at this point and I can’t even hang with his recent times. Also there are going to be plateaus along the way, it’s not just a steady climb.
I'm not "nearly 50" (but Jesus, it's too damn close - when did that happen!?!?).
slo - Thank you for the kind words. You have touched on what has been on my mind of late...how to take it to the next level. I like your your suggestion. Happy running to you...
Smoove wrote:
I'm not "nearly 50" (but Jesus, it's too damn close - when did that happen!?!?).
ha, knew you’d get triggered on that one
GFMAH, darkwave, et al. - I’ve always felt like I move to a medium/medium pattern by going too hard on what’s supposed to be an easy day, and to hard/easy by taking an unplanned off or very easy day. If I’ve planned Fri/Sat/Sun to be easy w strides, long, then jog, there have been times the strides turned into more of a fartlek, then the long run gets cut short and is slow, but since Saturday wasn’t so hard Sunday can be a decent pace.
Good run, OR.
Still Improving wrote:
Look for the Junk Brands booth.
https://www.junkbrands.com/
Can't make up my mind if this is ribbing or serious. I will be in Boston too and look for this booth.
Great work OR.
cocoon wrote:
Still Improving wrote:
Look for the Junk Brands booth.
https://www.junkbrands.com/Can't make up my mind if this is ribbing or serious. I will be in Boston too and look for this booth.
Great work OR.
Headbands are very very serious.
So yes. Stop by.
Sub 6:00 wrote:
GFMAH, darkwave, et al. - I’ve always felt like I move to a medium/medium pattern by going too hard on what’s supposed to be an easy day, and to hard/easy by taking an unplanned off or very easy day. If I’ve planned Fri/Sat/Sun to be easy w strides, long, then jog, there have been times the strides turned into more of a fartlek, then the long run gets cut short and is slow, but since Saturday wasn’t so hard Sunday can be a decent pace.
Good run, OR.
That's funny, because I generally end up in a hard/easy pattern when I overdo it on the hard days, and overdoing it on the hard days is generally where I get myself in trouble. Picking up on what darkwave was saying, my experience has been that I don't recover from, or respond to, hard days particularly well. So, in practice, the key to the moderate/moderate pattern for me may be more about keeping the hard days in check. (I do take really easy days, generally one deliberate recovery day a week.)
Pappy and darkwave: Great points about the pitfalls of comparing yourself to others. Lot of wisdom there.
OR: Way to go with making the moves in the tough part of the race. Nice work on the tactical front, and a pretty solid time for the middle of January.
RRR I serious about his headbands. And if headbands done make you look like a freak like they make me look, I'd load up on some Junk headbands. Those things really are awesome. Soft material, but warm in cold weather and incredibly sweat absorbent in hot weather. On Florida summmer days, those headbands legit absorb a ton of sweat and delivery what they don't absorb away from my eyes. They can then be squeezed on the run to get rid of the sweat and restart the process. RRR sent me one, my wife stole it to keep her hair back, then bought 3 more.
Ha. Wearin' my junk t-shirt right now.