How am I getting a scholarship with an 18:30.3 5k?!

Title IX wrote:

Do 18:30 girls get scholarships? If so, how much and to what kind of schools?

Why do poster after poster on letsrun state h.s. XC times, which could've been raced on short courses? If a h.s. girl with XC PB of 18:30 5K also races sub-57.5/2:05 400m/800m, said girl will get Reggie Bush treatment: bag of cash, luxury condo and $125,000 BMW.

Jeez! Why XC ... wrote:

Title IX wrote:

Do 18:30 girls get scholarships? If so, how much and to what kind of schools?

Why do poster after poster on letsrun state h.s. XC times, which could've been raced on short courses? If a h.s. girl with XC PB of 18:30 5K also races sub-57.5/2:05 400m/800m, said girl will get Reggie Bush treatment: bag of cash, luxury condo and $125,000 BMW.

I’m serious. Legit 18:30, but more like 2:15/5:15 type gal... what does that get?

Title IX wrote:

Jeez! Why XC ... wrote:

Why do poster after poster on letsrun state h.s. XC times, which could've been raced on short courses? If a h.s. girl with XC PB of 18:30 5K also races sub-57.5/2:05 400m/800m, said girl will get Reggie Bush treatment: bag of cash, luxury condo and $125,000 BMW.

I’m serious. Legit 18:30, but more like 2:15/5:15 type gal... what does that get?

More likely than not, a partial to full ride at a NCAA D2. Many to most NCAA D1 would want to have said female. Some D1 schools, no money and some D1 schools partial. I don't know which university, but if one D1 gave said girl a full ride, great!

Sober honest truth wrote:

Title IX wrote:

I’m serious. Legit 18:30, but more like 2:15/5:15 type gal... what does that get?

More likely than not, a partial to full ride at a NCAA D2. Many to most NCAA D1 would want to have said female. Some D1 schools, no money and some D1 schools partial. I don't know which university, but if one D1 gave said girl a full ride, great!

Ran d-2

Averaged 16:04 for all xc races during junior and senior year of xc

Sub 9:50

4:30 mile

51 400m

Took a partial d2 scholarship at engineering school all 12 teammates except one were under 4:30(except me) under 10 and sub 16

4 d1 offers 1 full, 1 75% , 2 half

3 full ride d2 schools

3 full ride NAIA offers

Also ran NAIA 5 teammates sub 10/sub 16 in HS

Slowest guy there with a full ride was a 3 time state champ with prs of 4:50, 10:30, and 17:30

I have plenty of friends who have run. SEC and only got offered books with prs of 1:54, 4:15, 9:19, and 15:10. None of those prs belong to the same guy.

there's so much more scholarship money for girls. pretty much sub-20 gets you a full ride. guys, you'd better be sub-9 at least

When I went to college there were no NCAA rules limiting the number of scholarships a school could give out. Tuition was cheap, compared to now, in the early 1960s. My school which was considered a small college gave out tons of money. Running a 51 for the 440 and 2 flat for an 880 I had a half tuition scholarship. Technically it was called a "Tuition Job." My first year I mopped out a rest room. My second year I walked a loop of the xc course putting down the line. And in my last year the coach said, "Don't worry about it."

I don't like sounding like a showoff, but I guess I can't help it if I'm doing it here. I can run 18:30 5ks like they never existed. After 18:30 I would still feel great and full of energy to continue at that pace.

Either OP is trolling or they got trolled.

Vouching for the fact that the standards aren’t as high as people think they are and you don’t have to be the exception to make a roster. Even the kids who barely managed to sneak under 9:10 are on scholarship. I’m not sure why letsrun people like to act like D1 rosters are only for the HS all-stars when the roster info is publicly available. It’s only a 1 in a million chance if your times are very significantly substandard.

theJeff wrote:

I am relatively - but not completely - sure that NAIA isn’t subdivided into tiers such as D1, D2, etc.

I call bullsh!t. (Even though there are certainly new programs out there at ALL levels, NAIA & NCAA, who offer $ for sub stellar HS performances.)

You are right. My kid runs at an NAIA school, and there are no divisions other than regional ones. Some schools are pretty good and offer scholarships, but others barely have enough runners to make a whole team. That said, a number of NAIA schools are private with high tuition (30,000-50,000 a year), and offer a partial scholarship, say $5000-10,000, to attract students who will then pay the rest of their way. Still, 18:30 seems very slow even for NAIA.

Here is the MSU roster from another thread. You are probably correct that sub 9:10 gets you something but not much when you also have guys at 1:54 and guys at 4:13 which are all about equivalent. They probably have an equivalent number of guys in the 100-200-400-jumps-and throws all competing for a small piece of the 12.6 pie. According to this stack, a 4:19 recruit is about 20th on their roster.

Kiprotich 3:42

Beadlescomb 9:03

Law 9:04

Ahmed 9:09

Hersha 9:11

Allen 9:12

Petruno 4:09

Kettle 4:12

Sims 4:13

Osika 4:13

Gove 1:54

Smith 1:54

O'Connor 1:54

Riordan 9:15

Schram 9:17

Beauchamp 9:19

Rambo 4:16

Steen 4:17

Noah 4:18

Hirshenberger 15:15

Thomas 4:19

I'm guessing they spend very little on Sprints, Jumps & Throws.

gfhgewa;sjdf; wrote:

I saw a local-ish girl tweet pictures of her signing to run D1 Track (no scholarship mentioned to be fair) with PRs of (according to milesplit) 58.x and 2:21.

Am I missing something or is that where the bar is?

Probably got into the school on academics and is planning to try to walk in. The ceremony was self directed and meaningless.

The school I coach at has these fake ceremonies, too. It is a weird tradition that didnt exist when I was in high school.

You really lost on that guess. They had 8 guys go to nationals in 2018 in sprints, hurdles, throws, decathlon, and pole vault. So how many scholarships do they have left for distance?

Here are some stats. My school is fully funded on both sides and our #1 distance runner is on full scholarship and his high school time was 9:38.. our #2 also on a full ride ran 9:49. We didn't field at team at NCAA DI XC Regionals this year, but hopefully next year we will. If I mentioned my school you would say we suck, etc., but we are DI -

http://www.scholarshipstats.com/track.htm

Decent Roster wrote:

You really lost on that guess. They had 8 guys go to nationals in 2018 in sprints, hurdles, throws, decathlon, and pole vault. So how many scholarships do they have left for distance?

Just cause they made it to Nats doesn't mean they are on scholarship...

Do you guys really not know how this stuff works? they are putting the majority of their scholarships into distance.

Important clarification cause my comment mightve made it look like I’m still there. Back when I was on the team (couple years ago) my hs pedigree was pretty middle of the road. I didn’t run with the vast majority of those guys but it seems like the guys just a little under 9:20 (Riordan, Schram, Beauchamp) are pretty middle of the road on the current team, looking now at the roster from the other thread. If half the roster is worse than these guys as recruits, I think the people who say you need to slide under 9:20 to be considered are exaggerating (not speaking for scholarships as those could’ve changed). That said, the notion that Stanford is in love with anyone running a 9:15 is also ridiculous.

Maybe girl wrote:

Girls can walk on with a 58. That’s not too uncommon. It’s equivakent to a guy walking on with a 9:25 3200.

Wow, I was going to ridicule that but data seems to confirm (roughly at least). CA last year had about 50 of each, senior boys under 925 and senior girls at 58.x or less.

A 9:25 3200 seems waay better to me but.. {shrug}

Trolling bananas wrote:

Either OP is trolling or they got trolled.

Ya think? Fools, the shill just got over 4 dozen hits for the site on a made up thread. How dumb are you guys?