Gordon Pirier: Only doing shorter reps in the winter time

Wait a minute wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Hello Dimitry :) Well, tell me.....I don`t know. What are the performances of the runners you have coached so far? I have solved the complexity of training around 100 runners in 3 years and just 6 days training in the week, all of them! ....... and all of them developed. And the level of runners is from Gold label up to hobby joggers. What is outdated is opinions like this you just told....

Not sure how Swedish or whatever your native language is, but in English you usually say least important to most important. So, most would say hobby jogger up to gold label.

So you think that was important to say? All my runners are exactly as important ... even if they run very fast or slower.

There are hundreds of Olympic gold medals won overcoming simple systems complete in parallel in all sports.

Complete- parallel systems are for young people, beginners and amateurs.

I'm sorry, you have personal marketing reasons and I understand you, but the question has already been solved for at least 33 years.

keepgoing wrote:

This was such a nice, adult conversation until JS got his panties all in a bunch because the training talk didn't evolve into everyone jumping on his high intensity 6 day a week plan. Get over it! And get back to being civilized.

Also, I'd love hear more about thoughts on this:

kjjkj wrote:

Renato, any thoughts on what a 40 year old should run in terms of mileage if racing between 10km-Marathon?

Well, .... try to be correct when you give comments on my training system. My program is not a high intensity 6 day a week plan. It`s well balanced up to the individual runner and always with the perfect recovery.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

keepgoing wrote:

This was such a nice, adult conversation until JS got his panties all in a bunch because the training talk didn't evolve into everyone jumping on his high intensity 6 day a week plan. Get over it! And get back to being civilized.

Also, I'd love hear more about thoughts on this:

Well, .... try to be correct when you give comments on my training system. My program is not a high intensity 6 day a week plan. It`s well balanced up to the individual runner and always with the perfect recovery.

Ha ha, it is impossible to tell what your program really is because you just come on here and spout random things but don't actually give any examples of weeks or months or progressions (like Canova and others have done over and over again).

I was actually pretty sure you did not advocate 6 whole days of intense running, but look over your last posts and all you're doing is shouting about intensity (all caps!). So there really is no way to be correct about discussing your training system. You're one of the biggest posters on here and there are no examples of it. None. It might actually be interesting if you started a thread to show what your ideas are and to maybe share a few things. You could posibly get a few more runners to coach that way.

keepgoing wrote:

This was such a nice, adult conversation until JS got his panties all in a bunch because the training talk didn't evolve into everyone jumping on his high intensity 6 day a week plan. Get over it! And get back to being civilized.

Also, I'd love hear more about thoughts on this:

kjjkj wrote:

Renato, any thoughts on what a 40 year old should run in terms of mileage if racing between 10km-Marathon?

The only adult interesting conversation here is between Canova and JS I think. Just saying it .

A valid point. I'm out!

He has frequently given sample schedules. You must have not been in a reading mood.

is Gordon Pirer the same guy as Gordon Pirie?

sillyman wrote:

is Gordon Pirer the same guy as Gordon Pirie?

Yes, Gordon Pirier was Gordon Pirie French alter ego.

I really like how you post under different names, JS.

heij js, i do not find any example schedules or performance progress. please, help me to find. which search terms can help?

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Even himself admitted that his top guys ran doubles...the 'six session week' is just marketing for hobby joggers who buys into the 'less is more' bullshi..

well,, wrote:

A Kind of Magic wrote:

He has frequently given sample schedules. You must have not been in a reading mood.

I really like how you post under different names, JS.

With such superlative English you confused me with JS? Um, OK.

schlumpf wrote:

heij js, i do not find any example schedules or performance progress. please, help me to find. which search terms can help?

Hi! Well.... I have several times given sample schedules here at LRC. Which search terms can help I don`t know and you have to ask the administrators of the site that question I think. One more thing you have to know about my system is that it`s not a phase system like for example Canova`s . It`s a linear system with the same kind of content in the week year round. I use to call it " The never ending story" :) It`s easy ,for me, to develop a shape top whenever I want the runner to have it.

Mr. Canova,

Do long runs (anything over an hour) at “intensity” 90-95% of marathon pace strengthen fast twitch muscles?

ok, i see you are marketing yourself with cheap tricks and you have nothing to show. fired.

The answer is.... NO . Fast twitch muscles you train by doing sprint speed training in hills or on flat surface when it comes to running.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

The answer is.... NO . Fast twitch muscles you train by doing sprint speed training in hills or on flat surface when it comes to running.

Wrong, when you run long enough you do engage your fast twitch muscle fibers.

I would like to know how Mr. Canova and other schools of thought categorize Ed Whitlock's success and training.

I don't know all of Whitlock's training but I thought it would fall into the category of lots of slow miles, not a base of mileage followed my intensity or other specificity. I am sure some would dismiss it entirely as a single outlier or on the basis of the fallibility of age-grading. Still, for those willing, I would love to see intelligent discussion.

Regarding Gordon Pirie, I am a fan but my reading is similar to what some others have posted. I think he was proud in the bad way to the point of believing he could beat cancer on his own (looking at you too Steve Jobs) and came across, even in his own writings as internally inconsistent and bitter for not having been better appreciated at home - I think he complained about not being given national coaching work. Still I like the general backdrop of running more, langer schlammer (German for slow down?) for intervals and his very authentic and open opinions. I think I recall he said Al Sal would have kept winning marathons if he had stuck with his former training. I also think this would be more of what Canova would have called for - a continued focus on intensity - and I view it as a sample of Pirie internal inconsistency. Still I love "Running Fast and Injury Free" for its slice of history and my bias toward loving all mileage.