I am 2/2 on calling great shoes early. The Skechers GoRun Razor 3 is the next Great Shoe. You heard it here first.

Jeff, have to say you were right. I bought these shoes off of this thread, and they blew me away. It’s funny the previous poster spoke about the HyperSpeed, because that’s the shoe I’ve been running in for the past 4 years after buying a bunch of pairs when they were on sale. These shoes put the HyperSpeed to shame, can’t believe I’ve run so many fulls and halfs on those shoes. Also, my marathon best is 2:45 so I’m below that 7:00 threshold from the last post.

Odd...I ran a 20 mile long run today in them and sent them right back...mostly 650 paces but some faster miles. Much better shoes out there for the 130 price.

- feels like running on pool noodles. Nothing is special about the foam. Pebax, zoomx, Floatride even some tpus are better imho

- shape of upper is odd...like too narrow in middle, they don’t have the typical splay shape. I guess I have been spoiled with knit uppers

- super thin tongue causes hotspots with laces on foot. The heel lock is good though

- not for heel strikers like me. Low drop and firmness in heel make for a rough ride. I couldn’t get up the turnover in these.

- super light, like nothing there

- pool noodle outsole stains easily and starts to look nasty. Though to clean too

- true to size. Wear 11.5 in Nike’s, saucony, altra, and these fit fine

- good breath ability

And no bounce. No feeling of rebound at all. Rather spend my money on something with more cutting edge tech

Thanks for the post Al Bundy! (if anyone knows what I mean)

Ha, no problem on the question. Full PR: 3:23:xx, so 7:35ish(?) MP. (6’4” 205, former FBer, fwiw)

I tore out my midsoles as well, lol.

Obviously, everyone won’t agree on a shoe, but even if there wasn’t anything special abt the energy return of the midsole - I believe there is - that much cushion at 6.5oz is impressive. (I recently PRd my first half I used them for, but I know that doesn’t prove anything, obv.)

Btw, I am sure that after ripping out the insoles, you noticed the air pockets within the foam. I would imagine this accounts for some of the weight difference as well; that must be hard to get exactly right.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply and feedback :-) All the best.

gsimmons2005 wrote:

Odd...I ran a 20 mile long run today in them and sent them right back...mostly 650 paces but some faster miles. Much better shoes out there for the 130 price.

- feels like running on pool noodles. Nothing is special about the foam. Pebax, zoomx, Floatride even some tpus are better imho

- not for heel strikers like me. Low drop and firmness in heel make for a rough ride. I couldn’t get up the turnover in these.

I think I like them exactly because they're low heel to toe drop. The problem with Nike is the make almost nothing in their more cushioned shoes that have lower than 10mm heel to toe drop. At 4mm but with a ton of cushioning and light, these shoes are perfect for me. I'm sure there are better higher heel to toe drop shoes, but at 4mm, not sure there are much better.

Several pages back I extolled the virtues of the Beacon - told you I was looking forward to the Razor. Incredible, now I’m totally conflicted. Got my Razors last week, and have left the beacons on the shelf collecting dust. For me, I’m loving these Razors. Firm, responsive midsole that shows no compacting even after several mild trail runs. Love the wider forefoot, and the fact that my insertional Achilles issue hasn’t objected in the least. (Used a RW code for cool discount - ~$116.). Thx for the heads-up.

Fidgit wrote:

Several pages back I extolled the virtues of the Beacon - told you I was looking forward to the Razor. Incredible, now I’m totally conflicted. Got my Razors last week, and have left the beacons on the shelf collecting dust. For me, I’m loving these Razors. Firm, responsive midsole that shows no compacting even after several mild trail runs. Love the wider forefoot, and the fact that my insertional Achilles issue hasn’t objected in the least. (Used a RW code for cool discount - ~$116.). Thx for the heads-up.

That is great to hear. Thanks, buddy :-)

Next shoe in your quiver needs to be the Reebok Forever Energy (order a half size smaller than usual). The RFE will replace my Beacons when they wear out...

I've been running in the Razor 3s since early December. Love these shoes! The mix of weight, cushioning, wide platform, and responsiveness is perfect for me. They're great for non-track workouts where you warm up and cool down in the same shoe you do your workout in. I've gone as long as two hours in them without issue.

Someone mentioned the midsole getting hard in the cold. I haven't had that experience, and have worn them in single-digit temps. The problem in the cold is that the uppers are so thin. I've had a few runs where my toes feel frozen for the first 20 minutes.

Outsole durability isn't great, because it's so thin--one of the lateral heels in mine is gone. Will be interesting to see if running directly on the foam in this one spot kills the shoe.

The word SPEED on the side is stupid, especially for someone as slow as me. But getting hung up on that and not running in a great shoe is even more stupid.

Hey I will certainly consider the Reebok in the future, especially if we’re talking a Hyperburst-type midsole. Been awhile since a shoe made me smile like that Razor though - and I’m in it at least an hour a day, six days a week. But, now I gotta figure out what to do w/that Beacon - another keeper.

Full PR: 3:23:xx ?

That's a decent racewalking pace.

racewalking wrote:

Full PR: 3:23:xx ?

That's a decent racewalking pace.

That is prolly insulting to racewalkers.

We need to find these in an eleven.

FBXCFGXDF wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEC0VFufG04

They make this dude run like a sewing machine.

New color is pretty dope.

And Subway, they have them in an 11.

How do these compare to the floatride runfast? BTW I love the forever floatride energy. I have also enjoyed many happy miles in the Skechers Ultra Road.

rfed wrote:

How do these compare to the floatride runfast? BTW I love the forever floatride energy. I have also enjoyed many happy miles in the Skechers Ultra Road.

Honestly, they are both fucking great. I think these are the two best fast-day trainers out there right now. I switch between them and have a blast in both of them.

The FRRF are more stiff/snappy and more cushioned in the heel. The Razor 3 is more of a lower-drop, flexible, natural-riding fast shoe.

The FRRF fits more spaciously, has a more substantial, grippy, and durable outsole. I think the foam is probably more temperature resistant too.

The price is close, the weight is similar, and the purpose is the same. I think the main differentiator will just be a preference for a bit lower drop with a more flexible, natural ride or a more medium drop with a snappier ride. The other deciding factor is the FRRF will be much better for varied surfaces and weather regarding outsole traction.

If you like to have a rotation though, both of these shoes will feel great for fast days.