Did everyone forget Salazar+NOP broke WADA rules???

This thread earns the L of the day.

ALMOST EVERY ELITE DISTANCE RUNNER IN THE WORLD DOPES OR BENDS THE RULES. THEY ALL DO IT.

It's a fact and is what the sport has come to. Get used to it and get over it. This is just more NOP and Rupp hate from salty washed-up runners.

you forgot mary cain up and bounced fast as sh*t

Small clarification -- USADA is investigating, not WADA. Maybe the explanation is that USADA cannot act, because they are not sitting on evidence of wrong-doing.

3hr-marathoner wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Apparently the investigation is still on-going.

If WADA is sitting on evidence of wrongdoing, they have done a huge amount of damage to the sport by letting Centro win an Olympic gold medal and Rupp win marathons, etc.

"Just Forget It"

One of the shadiest runners of ALL TIME just won the Chicago Marathon. If you're looking for change, keep looking.

TryAgain wrote:

Chgg wrote:

We also forgot that Jager was on the likely doping list.

I will certainly agree with you there. Further investigation into Jager's implication and that leaked report would be nice too.

The matter of fact is that T&F media are a BUNCH OF WUSSIES. THEY ACT LIKE NERVOUS MIDDLE SCHOOL BOYS AROUND THE PRETTY GIRL IN SCHOOL WHEN THEY ARE AT EVENTS WITH SALAZAR, RUPP, MO, CENTRO, RITZ, ETC. THEY DON'T ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS. IN THE RARE EVENT THAT THEY DO, THEY DON'T ASK FOLLOW UPS.

T&F MEDIA, MAN TF UP!!!! GO AFTER THESE GUYS, GET REAL ANSWERS FOR GOD'S SAKE. WHAT DO YOU EVEN DO THIS FOR IF YOU WON'T DO YOUR JOB ON THIS?

Exactly why I have zero respect for T&FN, Competitor, RW, or that other sh!t rag, Citius.

Pajama Aden wrote:

One of the shadiest runners of ALL TIME just won the Chicago Marathon. If you're looking for change, keep looking.

I don't expect change overnight, I'm mainly disappointed in T&F media/those who cover this sport like Letsrun, Flotrack, etc.

Those are the institutions that are supposed to care the most about the sport. That leaked USADA report along with the Goucher/BBC documentary is the biggest scandal in American distance running of all time. Hands down.

It should be the story covered on the front page of this website and any other site that claims to care about American distance running EVERYDAY UNTIL REAL ANSWERS ARE PROVIDED.

GO INTERVIEW GOUCHERS. GO INTERVIEW RITZ. GET STATEMENTS FROM USADA. SOMETHING!!! DO SOMETHING. DON'T JUST GLOSS OVER THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN THE SPORT.

Cmon wrote:

This thread earns the L of the day.

ALMOST EVERY ELITE DISTANCE RUNNER IN THE WORLD DOPES OR BENDS THE RULES. THEY ALL DO IT.

It's a fact and is what the sport has come to. Get used to it and get over it. This is just more NOP and Rupp hate from salty washed-up runners.

YOU TAKE THE L OF THE DAY. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE WORD "JUSTICE." YOU SAD LITTLE BOY.

TryAgain wrote:

Cmon wrote:

This thread earns the L of the day.

ALMOST EVERY ELITE DISTANCE RUNNER IN THE WORLD DOPES OR BENDS THE RULES. THEY ALL DO IT.

It's a fact and is what the sport has come to. Get used to it and get over it. This is just more NOP and Rupp hate from salty washed-up runners.

YOU TAKE THE L OF THE DAY. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE WORD "JUSTICE." YOU SAD LITTLE BOY.

LOLLLLLL, justice?? Like he said, most (probably 95% +) distance runners are doped. The sport is doped. Anyone who doesn't think that is beyond ignorant. NOP just dopes better than others and Rupp wins. Simple as that.

Nothing to see here, save for another self-righteous anti-Nike warrior. Thanks for playing.

Stay salty.

Jimmy21 wrote:

Chgg wrote:

Ritz was implicated, not Rupp.

We also forgot that Jager was on the likely doping list.

For what its worth, jagers story made complete sense and was completely believable. NOP sounded like that were completely full of unbelievable lies and the more i listened, the more i thought they were guilty

Jager’s “story” was full of maybe,and hypotheticals” that the USADA , did not exonerate. For example IAAF , had a report saying Paula Radcliffe is clean , yet not report for Ritz and Yager.

Don’t forget , the women’s 800 record was not accepted ,because of drug use.

AreWeJustGoingToForget wrote:

Did we all forget about that leaked USADA report that came out in 2017?

It showed with close certainty that Salazar, Dr. Brown, Rupp, and Ritzenhein (maybe others including Mo Farah) broke WADA rules pertaining to infusions (they used L-Carnitine to excess). This violation should constitute bans or suspensions from the sport.

Not to mention it illuminated the highly questionable practices at NOP including: prescription drug shopping for athletes, Salazar providing prescription drugs to athletes without prescriptions, and Salazar's handling of testosterone gel around athletes.

Yet nothing has come from the report? Why?

Letsrun, Flotrack, and other media outlets have let the sport down by not reporting more on this scandal.

The sport deserves answers. FAR MORE CRITICAL INQUIRY IS REQUIRED UNTIL REAL ANSWERS ARE GIVEN.

Yes everyone forgot and nobody cares, because rational people know the sport has been dirty for years, if not decades. It wasn't news then and still isn't news.

People out here acting like every runner except NOP runners are clean. Sport is juiced hard, probably worse than baseball in the early 2000s.

TryAgain wrote:

Cmon wrote:

This thread earns the L of the day.

ALMOST EVERY ELITE DISTANCE RUNNER IN THE WORLD DOPES OR BENDS THE RULES. THEY ALL DO IT.

It's a fact and is what the sport has come to. Get used to it and get over it. This is just more NOP and Rupp hate from salty washed-up runners.

YOU TAKE THE L OF THE DAY. YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF THE WORD "JUSTICE." YOU SAD LITTLE BOY.

Did you just assume his gender?

Nice try Kara .. grow up

Ezekiel bread wrote:

This is old news.

+1, sir.

Not completely accurate -- the IAAF did issue a general statement regarding Jager and others, trying to put the spreadsheet data in the proper context. The IAAF was accused by the Sunday Times and ARD of not doing their job -- this direct and public provocation in the press triggered the public detailed response to the allegations against the IAAF, which included Paula's case to "illustrates the point, perfectly", as she was also an accused target of the Sunday Times. The response essentially explained the context of anti-doping, and why it is wrong to make conclusions from partial data without full context. In the case of Jager, and all of the athletes in the Fancy Bears leaks, the IAAF was not accused of inaction, and, rather than a detailed response to allegations against the IAAF like before, they issued a statement which essentially explains again, how anti-doping works, and why this data is not necessarily an anti-doping rule violation: "It would be wrong to make assumptions based upon leaked documents without the full evidence and that evidence being put in context." "The official terminology (is) ... used to classify profiles flagged as “atypical” by the ADAMS mathematical model ..." "It does not provide a final determination on whether or not an athlete has committed an Anti-Doping Rule Violation." "It is a dynamic process in which the status of an athlete’s profile can change at any time." It's essentially the same response in both cases. "http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/07/iaaf-issues-statement-fancy-bears-release-portions-many-athletes-biological-passport-data-offers-sincerest-apologies-says-dynamic-process/"

Wish you washy wrote:

Jager’s “story” was full of maybe,and hypotheticals” that the USADA , did not exonerate. For example IAAF , had a report saying Paula Radcliffe is clean , yet not report for Ritz and Yager.

You have to remember that Ritz had a resurgence trying to qualify for the 10k. Shortly after that Mo and Galen went on to get gold and silver. We know that Ritz admitted to receiving what he believed where unallowed dosages and he confirmed that the paperwork handed over to authorities did not correctly reflect what was given to him. Even if we can't prove Mo and Galen received similar, we have every reason to believe Ritz's account even if it can't hold up in a court. Salazar and Brown had their athletes cross the line. Maybe the rest of the world won't care, but we in the running community at least know it.

A couple of facts

1. L-Caratine is not a banned substance.

2. The only POTENTIAL violation was the distribution procedure. Not allowed more than 50ml.

3. Usada thought that they may be distributing as much as 100ml and therefore in violation.

4. Ritz could not substantiate the amount But was willing to testify that he thought it was greater than 50ml.

5. The rule has since been changed and today it is legal to distribute L-Caratine up to 100ml.

Facts are important wrote:

5. The rule has since been changed and today it is legal to distribute L-Caratine up to 100ml.

Do you have a source for this? I'm not doubting you, I would just like to see it.

It would be nice if some sort of investigative journalist would at least followup on the report that Dr. Brown had been charged with violations over a year ago. Crickets...

Furthermore wrote:

It should be the story covered on the front page of this website and any other site that claims to care about American distance running EVERYDAY UNTIL REAL ANSWERS ARE PROVIDED.

GO INTERVIEW GOUCHERS. GO INTERVIEW RITZ. GET STATEMENTS FROM USADA. SOMETHING!!! DO SOMETHING. DON'T JUST GLOSS OVER THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN THE SPORT.