Flagpole wrote:
rojo wrote:
I don't come on here all day and there are 15 pages I haven't read. Oh well. Maybe in the morning.
Since it's clear to me that most people are unable to look at this objectively, my goal is to get people to do that. If you don't think there are serious questions about BOTH their testimonies, then you aren't being logical.
So I urge you to challenge yourself and read something against your point of view.
If you are a Kavanaugh fan, read this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/571936/If you are Ford fan, read this:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/christine-blasey-ford-ex-boyfriend-says-she-helped-friend-prep-for-potential-polygraph-grassley-sounds-alarmIn the first article, a guy who says he's always admired Kavanaugh says he couldn't vote for him now irregardless of whether or not the charges are true:
The 2nd article points out major flaws in Ford's testimony like how the # of people at the party has changed repeatedly in recent weeks, how parts of the polygraph were crossed out, how Ford can't remember whether she gave the notes to the Post or not and how Ford refuses to hand over the notes from 2012 to prove she actually talked to her therapist about it then.
Additionally, the article notes that an ex-boyfriend has come forward saying Ford had no problem living in a 500 sf apartment, flying on prop planes and says that Ford once coached her best friend on how to prepare for a lie detector test - when she told Congress she had never done such a thing. He also alleges Ford used his credit card after they broke up and lied about it until he said he was going to the authorities.
https://twitter.com/ShannonBream/status/1047293294567456770Not going to comment on ALL of the allegations, especially of Dr. Ford, but just a general comment to you Rojo, and that is that once again, I am pleased that you are able to see this from a logical view.
You are absolutely correct that there are problems with the testimony of both Ford and Kavanaugh as well as other witnesses who have come forward (Chad Ludington for example said Kavanaugh threw beer in the man's face at the bar when it turns out it was ice).
It is a rare court case or a case of opposing testimonies where one side has no holes. It is especially true when the alleged activities occurred more than 30 years ago when there was drinking involved.
I don't think this needs to end up being a "who do you believe", but rather an overall look to determine, not guilt of Brett Kavanaugh but certainty of suitability to sit on the Supreme Court.
It is demonstrably so that Kavanaugh lied several times during his testimony.
Kavanaugh asked that we "talk to people who know me". Ok, We have, and several have come forward to say he misrepresented himself during the hearing, and several have said he was a "sloppy drunk" or a "mean drunk".
Over 500 lawyers have come forward to say that Kavanaugh's behavior during his testimony is disqualifying.
We should judge both Dr. Ford and Kavanaugh harshly for any lying they did during their testimony. Perjury would be the charge for both. A NO vote SHOULD be the result for Kavanaugh, understanding that a NO vote doesn't mean that person believes Kavanaugh sexually assaulted anyone. Just means that they recognize he lied like a rug during his hearing, and he should not be rewarded for that.
Kavanuagh in his hearing said (paraphrasing) I liked beer, I still do. I did things when I was young that I look back on and cringe, but nothing like sexual assault. He says he sometimes got drunk and fell asleep, but never with memory loss (which is what blacking out is and contrary to popular belief, it is actually the minority of people who experience blackout when they get drunk). So Kavanaugh never said anything that was perjury. He became obstinate to senators when they repeatedly asked about his drinking when it because obvious that they were trying to conflate drinking with sexual assault. He handled the grilling exactly as he had to in order to not cave into their leading "when did you stop beating your wife" sort of questions.