Answer these questions for me about the NOP and Galen Rupp + a bonus Alberto Salazar interview

Does Mo still train with Radcliffe's husband? Or is Mudane (i believe that's what it's called) something new?

mcvred wrote:

Strength program is overseen by David McHenry.

David Henry designs the exercises and teaches technique, but it is AL who tells him what type a strength the runner

needs or what needs to be strong.

For instance, If I say I need to strengthen my lower half, or I want to build up strength to tackle different distances, then David will profess what exercises are needed to do so, and instruct the process.

That's what I meant about Al overseeing that part of training.

It's like a head coach . The Head Coach oversees all other special coaches on the team.

Big Al oversees everything.

This thread was going good until you sh*t it up Rob.

mcvred wrote:

No idea why, but I get the impression (from all the things I've listed and posts on letsrun) that Galen is not personable/does not have a good relationship with Centrowitz for whatever reason.

From when Centro was named the 2016 USATF Jesse Owens Male Athlete of the Year:

“None of this would have been possible without my coach Alberto Salazar, who put me on my second Olympic team despite having injuries in the spring both times,” Centrowitz continued. “I want to thank my family and my best friend Chris Kwiatkowski, who have been with me almost every step of the way this year. I'd like to give a special shoutout to my friend, training partner and fellow nominee Galen Rupp, who took me under his wing this year. I grew physically and mentally as an athlete because of him.”

tony the tiger wrote:

Mo Farah left the NOP for personal reasons and not for a career

Kind of a dumb post.

For a pro runner, your career is training (with partners or without, with a coach or without) and occasionally racing. How those relationships are, and the surrounding environment are both personal and professional issues.

anacondarunner wrote:

Everything Salazar does is centered around maximizing Galen's chances for success ... sometimes to the detriment of other NOP runners.

Quite.

Saladbra basically forced Levins to run on an injury for over a year. Certainly not for the benefit of Levins.

stfu JS wrote:

Does Mo still train with Radcliffe's husband? Or is Mudane (i believe that's what it's called) something new?

Rumors goes that Mo is not satisfied with the situation now and looks for cooperation with JS who has coached a 2.07 marathon winner .

You know this is fact??? Both of you know-it-alls go back downstairs in your parents basement where you've been living.

think better wrote:

tony the tiger wrote:

Mo Farah left the NOP for personal reasons and not for a career

Kind of a dumb post.

For a pro runner, your career is training (with partners or without, with a coach or without) and occasionally racing. How those relationships are, and the surrounding environment are both personal and professional issues.

Without Alberto, Mo retires in 2012 when he finishes 15th in the London 10k.

Mo owes his entire way of life to Alberto. For him to suddenly leave means things had to get very nasty during the investigation. You don't leave the coach that transforms you from an also-ran into the most dominant distance runner in a generation.

anacondarunner wrote:

The relationship between Galen and Mo is cordial but tense. Basically, Mo left Salazar and NOP for three reasons:

1) He wanted to raise his children in the UK and not Oregon.

2) He was tired of being relentlessly hounded by the media about the Salazar allegations.

3) Despite being by far the best athlete in the NOP stable, he saw that Galen was and always will be Salazar's golden boy. Everything Salazar does is centered around maximizing Galen's chances for success ... sometimes to the detriment of other NOP runners. Mo felt he deserved a coach who was fully committed to Mo.

As Farah distanced himself from Salazar following the 2015 ProPublica report and its fallout, Mo and Galen's relationship began to deteriorate.

Based on everything I know or think I know, everything you stated is correct. I will add that Mo, Galen and their families were buds for a couple of years. I heard from someone that heard from someone that an NOP member, not AlSal or Galen, that there was some unhappiness with how Mo handled an interview a year ago. Mo basically gave a strong statement about his cleanliness but offered a weak defense of AlSal.

Devil Dog wrote:

think better wrote:

Kind of a dumb post.

For a pro runner, your career is training (with partners or without, with a coach or without) and occasionally racing. How those relationships are, and the surrounding environment are both personal and professional issues.

Without Alberto, Mo retires in 2012 when he finishes 15th in the London 10k.

Mo owes his entire way of life to Alberto. For him to suddenly leave means things had to get very nasty during the investigation. You don't leave the coach that transforms you from an also-ran into the most dominant distance runner in a generation.

I think the truth is more nuanced (and sorry - I realise you shouldn't try 'nuance on Letsrun!). Yes, Mo owes a huge debt to Salazar but it's a double-edged sword. Without Salazar he doesn't win a global gold. Maybe he'd have got the odd bronze - he had improved markedly in 2010 and was not going to continue as an also ran. But the Salazar association has also brought him a lot of unwanted attention and damaged his reputation irreparably. David Bond at the BBC went looking for dirt as early as 2011 because of the Salazar rumours. The missed tests (and btw, that house is around the corner from me and I fully believe he didn't hear the doorbell!) and the Aden association got more attention because of that context.

FWIW, I believe the irony in all this is that Mo may well have been micro-dosing with the Kenyans at their house in Teddington when he lived with them but has been clean ever since. I have a theory that Ian Stewart and Dave Bedford feared what he was doing with the Kenyans and suggested he move to Salazar to get him away from that environment. I suspect they thought Salazar, as well as being a great coach, was someone who would bend but not break the rules. Not a popular view on this Board but I think they were right. Salazar's paper, "Locating the Line Between Acceptable Performance Enhancement and Cheating" outlines his philosophy. At the risk of oversimplification I think Salazar has always believed he should be able to give his athletes anything that will enhance performance without damaging their health or being on the banned list.

Can't fix stupid wrote:

You know this is fact??? Both of you know-it-alls go back downstairs in your parents basement where you've been living.

Yes. Levins is on the record saying so. AS made him keep running through injury.

Speculative of course but I imagine Rupp trains with others simply for a psychological reasons. Salazar has said before he believes building the psychology of a runner and not just improving their physiology (although this used to not be the case as he will admit).

2. No idea. Probably uses an altitude tent though.

3. Probably pretty fair to good. Some may think he moved simply to get away from Rupp and Salazar, but Farah has talked about his love of London. It is a dream of his to win London and I think that's why he went back to London despite not being predictably fast at the marathon (although London is fast), and had a relative failure there the first time. His move was probably multi-faceted. No doubt it was a plus to distance himself from a controversial coach, and was probably A reason, but probably not the exclusive reason he left. He may hold no ill will at all towards either of them. We might get a preview of it come Chicago.

Love seeing the progression of Alberto's crew! Great coach! Great human! Knows the limits of the body!

Scorpion_runner wrote:

The big guns are too important and too good to be left in the hands of Julian.

Well $h1t.