Losing weight after age 30... is the only solution to starve yourself?

Okay, and now just went through the rest of the thread....

Chill with the crazy diets. Plants are good, so are meats in lean portions. Cut down on crap foods like fries, pizza, anything breaded or fried. It's simple. Don't go crazy and eat the same things for lunch and dinner every day, you don't need all that.

Add in some HIIT and strength workouts that get ur heart rate crazy high for a few seconds/up to a minute. I'm telling you, in your 30s, that seems to be the most effective way to drop without starving/going on some crazy diet.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Garbage.

None of these fad diets- keto, paleo, veganism, etc. - are sustainable. Many are as damaging as the typical Western diet.

Good health comes from a variety of good healthy goods, exercise, sleepmaxxing, and #nofap.

Notice I said I wouldn't go that route again?

Never heard of any benefits of #nofap, I'm guessing some kind of joke I don't get.

back woods wrote:

Most of this is nonsense. For weight loss, what you eat is not very important. How much you eat, more particularly its caloric content, is the main thing.

Alcohol is bad as such (any amount). For weight it is bad because it is caloric.

You can pork, beef, fish, whatever, just not much of it.

Soy post. And completely wrong.

Certain foods (refined sugar and carbs, all pork, certain types of processed soy) are inherently inflammatory and should be avoided. It's not just about "calories." That's Big Food propaganda.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Whole foods wrote:

BK: one dry cup of oat (300 calories), after I cook the oats I add a spoonful of peanut butter (so about 200 calories)

Lunch usually rice or pasta with some vegetables and beans (for about 600-1200 calories)

Dinner same as lunch

Supplements:

B-12 tablet, Vitamin D-3 tablet and 3 spoonfuls of l carnitine.

Try not to snack, that is what will add pounds to you. 300-400 calories add up over the course of the day.

Christ that sounds terrible. No color. Lunch and dinner the same. What the hell man.

Vegan? B-12 should come from your diet, from from cheap Chinese "supplements." Garbage.

Nothing wrong with snacking. Eat an apple of banana or something between meals.

Starving yourself and eating bland pasty crap turns one into a soyboy.

Eat healthy meats. Eat healthy plants. Eat frequently. Run. LIFT. NoFap.

Can you show me the science that says B-12 from a "dietary" source is superior to a tablet?

Who says I'm starving myself? I'm quite fat for my height (5'8 and 135 ibs).

I mean if I could only eat one food for a entire year I would choice oatmeal for it is my favorite kind of food.

I'm not a "soy boy", I am a right winger. My t levels are quite healthy.

Also, where's the science that shows eating more frequently is better than just 2-3 meals a day? That is fad diet non-sense. You don't change your metabolic rate if you eat six meals a day vs three meals a day.

wtfbbq wrote:

Turning 37 in a few months.

I struggled a bit with changing metabolism but I think I've figured it out. (I'm 5'9", 143 lbs)

I learned I had to do those annoying HIIT workouts. They actually work. It's like you can basically see the fat melting off. Kind of nuts how effective they are, and my core is a lot stronger. I eat pretty much the same as my 20s now but more aware of cutting out sugar.

(At one point, I did the keto diet for 6 weeks and lost like 13 lbs, however, I also lost muscle mass so I wouldn't go that route again unless I had a TON of weight.)

What's an example of an HIIT workout? How would you fit that into a typical training week of mileage, tempo runs, and long runs?

It is all about calories. Take in less than you burn

In your 30s, your eating has to change. You cannot eat desert after dinner every night anymore. If you are still hungry after dinner, eat a banana or an apple. Do not go low carb, but you do need to drop unnecessary carbs. Sandwiches for lunch do not work. Bagels for breakfast everyday will not work. Pizza for dinner a couple of times a week will not work. Making those adjustments will go a long way to keep from having to limit portion sizes. Finally, reducing meat consumption is also important. You cannot have meat with every meal and expect to maintain weight.

gettin old gettin fat wrote:

. Gained the 10 pounds back in about 2 weeks.

No you didn't. You wouldn't even gain 2 pounds of fat in two weeks.

Wondering if anyone here 30+ has been able to lose weight AND continue moderate alcohol consumption. I want to lose a little weight in order to run faster, but I'm not willing to give up one of life's pleasures (a cold beer after a hard workout, glass of wine with dinner, tying one on very occasionally with friends, etc.) in order to do it. Definitely willing to cut in other areas, like solid food diet, however.

Whole foods wrote:

Can you show me the science that says B-12 from a "dietary" source is superior to a tablet?

Who says I'm starving myself? I'm quite fat for my height (5'8 and 135 ibs).

I mean if I could only eat one food for a entire year I would choice oatmeal for it is my favorite kind of food.

I'm not a "soy boy", I am a right winger. My t levels are quite healthy.

Also, where's the science that shows eating more frequently is better than just 2-3 meals a day? That is fad diet non-sense. You don't change your metabolic rate if you eat six meals a day vs three meals a day.

Low IQ rebuttal. Unsurprising you're a manlet given the lack of nutrients in your diet. Weaksauce.

Your diet is not sustainable. It's a corny cope for 20-something aspie IT bugmen desperately trying to "improve" themselves. Your "right winger" proclamation is lolworthy, unsurprising, and revealing. You willingly submit to authority. I bet you're the type who finds Jordan Peterson miraculous and enlightening. You are a bootlicker of the highest order. Pathetic.

You have failed, failed often, and failed hard. Keep coping.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Low IQ rebuttal. Unsurprising you're a manlet given the lack of nutrients in your diet. Weaksauce.

Your diet is not sustainable. It's a corny cope for 20-something aspie IT bugmen desperately trying to "improve" themselves. Your "right winger" proclamation is lolworthy, unsurprising, and revealing. You willingly submit to authority. I bet you're the type who finds Jordan Peterson miraculous and enlightening. You are a bootlicker of the highest order. Pathetic.

You have failed, failed often, and failed hard. Keep coping.

Well that certainly took a quick turn.

Whole foods wrote:

Can you show me the science that says B-12 from a "dietary" source is superior to a tablet?

This is rich coming from someone called "Whole foods."

ANY nutrient is best from its natural source, whether it be B-12, fish oil, vitamin A, whatever.

B-12 tablets are garbage. Chinese-manufactured, heavily-contaminated.

Put down the soylent and eat some eggs you moran.

gettin old gettin fat wrote:

Is there any way do this without starving myself?

No. You’ve received a lot of fade advice and tricks that work - but all of it is crap and wishful thinking. You need to accept that losing weight is only accomplished by dietary restrictions. You need a caloric deficit- to eat less calories than you burn. There are a large variety of diets and exercise protocols to create a caloric deficit- the one thing the have in common is creating a caloric deficit. There is no secret. There is no natural way to be in a caloric deficit and not be hungry. Sorry.

Like any activity a person starts there is an initial period of greater discomfort while your body adjusts. The first two weeks of caloric restriction are the worst. It gets easier but like training for anything it’s always going to take work, but do you do get better at it and can even learn to enjoy it. How many people out there thinking going for a morning run is awful, painful and only crazy people do it?

Losing weight is hard and takes effort over a prolonged period of time. That’s why so many people are fat. Good luck.

Yep, it does come down to caloric content and finding the balance between calories in vs. calories out. Don't forget that certain macros (fats) contain more calories per gram than others. Use a calculator to determine your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) over a period of a few weeks to determine your caloric requirements as a baseline, and track your diet from there using any app out there (My Fitness Pal or whatever). Make sure you are meeting your targets for macros and micros based on your goals and adjust your diet through REAL, WHOLE foods as necessary to meet the targets (not supplements if possible).

As you are getting older you are noticing that your metabolism is slowing. This is in large part due to hormonal changes and quite possibly a loss of lean body mass. As others have mentioned, LIFT. Increase your lean body mass through resistance training and your metabolism will increase (remember: muscle burns more calories at rest). Also, ensure you are getting adequate and consistent rest at night and sufficient protein to go along with introducing resistance training. The fight against a lowered metabolic rate is an inevitable one that comes with aging, but one which you can mitigate through changes in diet, exercise regime and lifestyle.

I had that happen around 30, and I'm still fighting it 20 years later.

There's only a few shreds of truth in this thread, I'll make it easy for you. Because calories in/out is somewhat BS, and what you eat doesn't really matter. Just don't be stupid. There are just FAR too many factors at play here. Your body is slowing down, that's what has to be addressed most of all.

HIIT: As BS as it sounds, that's THE most effective thing. Do whatever crazy movements you need to, to get your HR way up there, for 30-45 seconds. Recover, do again. If you're super-running-fit, then don't do it running, or running hills or whatever. This isn't what you're trying to do. It doesn't matter if you're digging a hole, climbing a rope, cycling, or swimming, whatever, just do HIIT crap.

LIFT: Get to the gym (great for HIIT stuff), and lift HEAVY, and SLOW. Make sure you don't get injured, but aim for 5x5 of heavy stuff. If you can handle it, the big muscle movements are your friend. Deadlifts. Squats. Benchpress. Pull-ups. That's it. See the fat women doing a million legs reps with 10 pounds on there? Yeah. Everything else is pointless. You might not want to build muscle, but you should. Muscle is lighter than fat, and muscles burn fat.

ANTI-INFLAMMATION: Chronic or even moderate inflammation can pack on the pounds, and it's no mystery how we can get this way after a few decades. Stay away from processed stuff, sugar, too many fruits, despite what I said about eating doesn't matter. I won't address what can minimize inflammation, but info is out there. (Are you in a legal state?)

BOOZE: No more. If you must, non-beer only.

SNACKING: If you must, eat stuff like regular peanuts, cheese, meat, fizzy water. Stay away from carbs when snacking. Because.

SCHEDULE: Forget it. You get very efficient with routine, but that just means you don't burn enough calories. Always surprise yourself with what you're doing, activities, movements. Is there a Zumba class at your gym? A spinning class? Jump in there! Just not regularly. Get creative. Take on anything. Don't injure yourself. Good luck.

SUPPLEMENTS:

DHEA. Some fast runner guy we talk about here would be on this in a heartbeat if it wasn't banned. If you don't care about competing, take it. If you'd rather whip yourself into shape than be legit at the turkey trot, take it. ALL this does is boost in you what you no longer have (T), and it works better than the prescribed cream you rub on. strange as that seems.

L-CARNITINE: Some fast runner guy takes it, you should, too.

The only other stuff you can take that works falls under the category of "gear," and I'm not touching that.

Everything else I've stated here can work.

And the nofap guy on this thread has it right.

The less you 'fap,' the higher you can keep your T levels up. That's what you want. But you know what works even better than nofap? A permanent lumber yard. Good luck with that one, but you basically want to have a 24-7 teenager woodie, and do nothing about it.

asfdsfsdfsdfd wrote:

Wondering if anyone here 30+ has been able to lose weight AND continue moderate alcohol consumption. I want to lose a little weight in order to run faster, but I'm not willing to give up one of life's pleasures (a cold beer after a hard workout, glass of wine with dinner, tying one on very occasionally with friends, etc.) in order to do it. Definitely willing to cut in other areas, like solid food diet, however.

I'm over 30 and I've lost about 10-15 lbs over the past 4 months by just counting my calories. Didn't give up anything specific and certainly not alcohol and I don't ever feel especially hungry. Most days I eat around 1600-1800 calories, which is supposed to be about a 500 calorie deficit compared to my BMR, plus whatever I burned from working out (typically another 1000-1500 calories). With that method I've still been able to get properly drunk once a week or so (say 8 beers or so) and have a few beers another night if I feel like it. Get a calorie tracking app and just put everything into it. It's not complicated.

Don't drink beer. It's alcohol plus carbs. Not enough bang (i.e., high) for the buck. Best bang for the buck is gin or any other unsweetened hard liquor. I gained weight when I had two gin-and-tonics a day, started losing weight when I had one martini containing the same amount of gin as the two G&T's. Why? I'd gotten rid of the 120 calories in the little bottle of Schweppes tonic water.

If you're intent on keeping alcohol in your diet, don't drink beer. Wine is a little better than beer. Per ounce of alcohol, gin is better than both. You want alcohol without added carbs.

Let's say you just woke up and you are about to be the luckiest hunter gatherer ever for a the day; What would you eat?