Kipyegon Bett Tests Positive for EPO

longjack wrote:

stop cheating wrote:

Lets be honest here, Kenya should now be banned from all international competition by the IAAF if the IAAF was anyway serious about combatting doping. Managers and coaches involved should also be banned from the sport and interrogated as to how they went about the doping process. Any road-race organiser inviting Kenyans to compete should also be heavily fined to the tune of several million dollars by their national governments for facilitating crime and have their IAAF permit status removed as well as necessary (eg marathon majors etc.). Such measures would at least bring the sport a few big steps forward to reducing doping.

dude, track and fiend is PEDs.

maybe 20% of any final is really clean.

ask a top coach, current

Well...we could start with Canova, who posts regularly here. ?

Are you sure? wrote:

longjack wrote:

dude, track and fiend is PEDs.

maybe 20% of any final is really clean.

ask a top coach, current

Well...we could start with Canova, who posts regularly here. ?

But his athletes are clean, he says he's never seen them take anything, not even vitamins. They train properly so epo doesn't work on them. We might have to ask that "Coach D (or C)" guy instead. ?

God, I can't wait for your thread when Henrik goes down.

They won't Ban Kenya because they'd be called raycisst ahaa

mcvred wrote:

God, I can't wait for your thread when Henrik goes down.

I'd love to see his off score!

Coevett wrote:

Last week when I posted that he had been provisionally suspended for 'refusing to submit a sample' I was accused of 'spreading fake news'. A few weeks ago I was mocked for claiming that Kyle Langford would have a good shot at Olympic Gold in Tokyo if Kenya get banned. Well he sure as hell should be given the World Championship bronze medal that he was cheated out of last year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-athletics-kenya/athletics-bett-latest-kenyan-athlete-to-test-positive-for-epo-idUSKCN1L91U2

One has to wonder how many talented youngsters from around the world never bothered to give the sport a real try because they saw trying to compete against the (drug fueled) East African juggernaut as an impossible task.

The Ethiopians are as dirty as the Kenyans. Year round testing, verifiable year round testing for all world class athletes is the only way. If they haven't been tested consistently all year, then they shouldn't be allowed to compete. Eff 'em.

Listening to our fav song wrote:

They won't Ban Kenya because they'd be called raycisst ahaa

That's the only defense the SJWs and E. Africans can resort to. Hell, people who 25 years ago were stating that drugs were the main reason for E. African dominance are now looking rather smart. And they were called rayciss back then. lol They were just smart, not blind sheeple.

Proctology of sociology. wrote:

Curious outside question- do Kenyans have a racist bone to pick? Is it part of their justification to dope? A fundamental delusion that it’s ok to cheat the ghosts of their colonial past?

I’m going to assume no.

But

The US media and libs use prey upon anyone who is a white male etc etc.

Fixed it for you, you disingenuous rat.

Top guy on your list is one of Aden's former boys, and it's safe to say they were all on drugs. Amos was rather pedestrian for a 1:41 guy til he went back to Africa for some home training that seemed to do wonders.

That said, Murphy is coming along nice after his injury and surgery and has demonstrated - so far - more talent and ability than Langford. Andre from Brazil is a guy to watch out for. Anyone who knows his training is aware of what a talent he really is. You'll see.

The top E. Africans have been the best responders to the drugs, not necessarily the most naturally talented of the bunch. What I mean is that some guy may have had more talent than Bekele for instance, but KB was a superb responder. And he was. Sub 12:40, eh? Lulz galore.

What happened to the Ethiopians running the final 5k of a 10k under 13 mins. Lulz. Where are all those Kenyans were running low 12:50's, and sub 12:50? Lulz. But...the micro dosing and officials looking the other way is still allowing them too much wiggle room. The people who've been caught are the tip of the iceberg. Why has Rudisha been MIA for so long? Lulz. I actually think he was clean when he was hitting mid 1:41 etc. But when he came back so quickly from "problems" and pulled his Babe Ruth called shot in London, he was on the sauce. And everyone knew it. So was Amos, etc.. Solomon and Symmonds were likely the first two clean athletes across the line in the London Oly final in '12. In '16 Makh and Murphy were the first two clean guys across the line. People accuse Makh all the time, but he was tested regularly for years before the games, unlike other N. African runners were back in the day, and like no E. African has ever been tested. Ever. Rudisha was doped to his eyeballs in Rio. Disgraceful.

Coevett wrote:

Pretty sure Nick Willis is aghast when he sees that the Brojos, instead of highlighting and investigating the recent doping horror stories from Kenya, are actually banning the like of myself and Mindweak.

https://twitter.com/nickwillis/status/663459345397493760

Well, with the way the US is in terms of the folks behind PC thought running the media, as in GB, it's no surprise.

I agree with a post I saw a while back. It stated that we were probably closer to the real limits in the 800, 1500, and 5k in the 1980's than we could ever have realized. Coe, Rono, Ovett, Cram, Scott, Kimobwa, Mamede, never mind old timers like Ryun or Foster or Snell or even Keino must also be aghast at what is really going in terms of allowing E. Africans to cheat, and silencing those who merely present facts about this.

Oh, you can bet if some European country were actually engaging in what the E. Africans are doing you'd see the LR folks and the mainstream media all over this story. The exaggerated stories about Russian doping, which pale in comparison to E. African malfeasance (and organized, government sanctioned Cuban cheating for example) are fodder in the mainstream press seemingly every single day. But if some third world country fields scores of drug fueled athletes it's something to be handled with kid gloves, if at all, by the same forces in the media.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Remove cheater Bett from the 2017 World results and you'll see Europeans go 1-2-3. So much for "natural" African dominance.

These Kenyan EPO busts are nothing short of delightful. Waiting patiently for the day the Ethiopians begin dropping like flies as well. LIFEFUEL.

The Ethiopians are basically commies so they get a huge pass from the powers that be, one that matches what the Cubans are handed. The Kenyans, with all the breaks they get, are still behind those two and a few other anointed third world countries when it comes to be allowed to get away with cheating to certain extents that can be covered up.

I like Ethiopian Runners wrote:

Phantasy Star wrote:

Remove cheater Bett from the 2017 World results and you'll see Europeans go 1-2-3. So much for "natural" African dominance.

These Kenyan EPO busts are nothing short of delightful. Waiting patiently for the day the Ethiopians begin dropping like flies as well. LIFEFUEL.

You might be waiting a very long time because Ethiopians are not testing positive at all or they're clean & green unlike their neighbors to the South. IMO, I think it's a pretty good bett that the overwhelming majority of Ethiopians are clean.

Since the majority have been working with guys like Hermens (who was a cheat while an athlete) and Aden it's unlikely any of their top athletes are clean. And they've had the same fall off in performance in the 5/10 as the Kenyans for the most part. E. Africans need to undergo full, year round testing like Europeans, Japanese, etc. or they should be banned from the sport.

Amos was never an Aden guy. Ever. Souileman sure was though...strangely, got his doors blown off in 3:38 races the 2 years after the Sabadell bust...now he's running 3:31's consistently again. Good ol Haroun- Aden's 400m guy- just ran 44.08 after being a 44.5-45.5 guy. So ridiculous.

Take your facts elsewhere!

Walter j wrote:

Take your facts elsewhere!

Exactly, I can't stand people who spoil a good story with the truth.

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

1. What percentage of users does the new EPO test catch?

2. What percentage of Kenyan elite runners are actually getting tested?

3. What percentage stopped doping when they heard about the new tests?

We would need some info like that to do an actual statistical analysis. You have to admit, the high number of positives is alarming. Imagine if 5-10 top US pros tested positive in the last year, wouldn't this be of huge concern?

before the EPO test, zero tested positive,

where there is no testing, like Jamaica till recently, zero test positive.

where they test a few timess per year and know in advance, zero positive

where they microdose properly, zero positive

where they use and are tested, 50/50 but that is a guess, the above is solie.

assume the worst.

longjack wrote:

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

1. What percentage of users does the new EPO test catch?

2. What percentage of Kenyan elite runners are actually getting tested?

3. What percentage stopped doping when they heard about the new tests?

We would need some info like that to do an actual statistical analysis. You have to admit, the high number of positives is alarming. Imagine if 5-10 top US pros tested positive in the last year, wouldn't this be of huge concern?

before the EPO test, zero tested positive,

where there is no testing, like Jamaica till recently, zero test positive.

where they test a few timess per year and know in advance, zero positive

where they microdose properly, zero positive

where they use and are tested, 50/50 but that is a guess, the above is solie.

assume the worst.

What is microdosing properly? You either microdose or you don't.

The testing for microdosing rEPO is getting better by the day. The study I linked here was a 2013 paper, so imagine the improvements made by now. I don't think WADA is going to publicize the current glow times for microdosing rEPO - let the joke be on the dopers.

Furthermore, I would bet that these recent rEPO pops are the better testing essays picking up microdosed levels of rEPO. These athletes were probably given obsolete advice to microdose right after 11:00 pm (when testers can't coming looking for you) and by 6:00 am you'll be good to go & clean as a whistle. Lol. I would guess if Kiprop, Jebet, Bett, etc. would fess up & talk about their doping programs, they would probably say how pissed off they are that they were told there was virtually no chance of testing positive for microdosing. ?