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So the other people he keep trying to tell me to do my runs by heart rate. 220-(age)X(.9)

That's almost like impossible. I can't last more than a mile or so at that heartrate. I'm typically in the 130s/140s. Unless I'm racing. I don't know if that means I'm a wuss or what. Lol

Actually... my max heartrate at the 10k I ran on memorial day was 149!

The PR mile from the other day max was 150.

My PR 5K(which ended up being 4.x) was 160 until the extra bit where I held my peace for another 1.x miles (that extra bit reached 199).

Am I being a baby or????

Forgot to put avg heartrates on those runs were

Mile:133

5k:153 but included the high 199 finish

10k:133

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

They don't stand for disobedience here. Many a rebel has been booted.

The entire school board is made up of a bunch of good ol' boys that have controlled the place for 40 years and they aren't about to break ranks over 1 kid.

I understand.

She can run as much as she wants when he's not watching her though.

I would ignore your heart rate.

People's max heart rates are different. Anne Audain's was 156. Lasse Viren's was 202.

Even the same person has different max heart rates at different times.

Plus heart rate monitors are not all that accurate. You can tell much better by your effort

how well you are doing, so I would just go by that, and not pay any attention to the heart rate.

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

I got to sit down and have dinner with a bunch of runner and Joe Vigil last night. He is so down to Earth and just a wealth of knowledge. I'm gonna miss this place when I have to go home.

Welcome! Our running club coach was at his coaching clinic here yesterday.

dunes runner wrote:

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

They don't stand for disobedience here. Many a rebel has been booted.

The entire school board is made up of a bunch of good ol' boys that have controlled the place for 40 years and they aren't about to break ranks over 1 kid.

I understand.

She can run as much as she wants when he's not watching her though.

Gotta be a "Stealth Ninja Rebel" :)

Tim L wrote:

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

I got to sit down and have dinner with a bunch of runner and Joe Vigil last night. He is so down to Earth and just a wealth of knowledge. I'm gonna miss this place when I have to go home.

Welcome! Our running club coach was at his coaching clinic here yesterday.

@rice?

YMMV wrote:

Gotta be a "Stealth Ninja Rebel" :)

Exactly. ; )

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

So the other people he keep trying to tell me to do my runs by heart rate. 220-(age)X(.9)

That's almost like impossible. I can't last more than a mile or so at that heartrate. I'm typically in the 130s/140s. Unless I'm racing. I don't know if that means I'm a wuss or what. Lol

Actually... my max heartrate at the 10k I ran on memorial day was 149!

The PR mile from the other day max was 150.

My PR 5K(which ended up being 4.x) was 160 until the extra bit where I held my peace for another 1.x miles (that extra bit reached 199).

Am I being a baby or????

90% of max heart rate is quite hard effort. 70% or under is where you want to be most days. Actually, it should be

min HR + (max HR - min HR) * .70

this is the so-called Karvonen heart rate formula.

hobby coach

90% of max heart rate is quite hard effort. 70% or under is where you want to be most days. Actually, it should be

min HR + (max HR - min HR) * .70

this is the so-called Karvonen heart rate formula.

You're right. They said 150 mins a week at that pace but I can't imagine it for even 2.5 hrs. Lol

This is accurate. Also, the formula 220-age=MaxHR can be way off for some people. Based on the HRs you observed, your MaxHR is probably between 165-175. (The 199 reading was probably an error.)

For me, the formula 220-age equals 149, but my actual MaxHR is 186. I routinely hit 179 in my workouts.

You're more likely to approach MaxHR if you run a 5K hard but under control and then kick in the last two minutes. Some people can elicite Max HR in a mile race, but for me, my MaxHR in a mile race is about 10 beats lower than what I can hit in a 5K.

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

@rice?

Yes.

This might be long... lol

We left town for the summer to attend this 2 month xc camp. Ended up the camp was too "intro" to running and my kids weren't really enjoying it. They were talking to this other runner and she invited them to come run with her school team (if her coach was okay with it). As it turns out he was really open to the idea. His team has about 20 girls so plenty of different paces for my girls. They are the biggest classification of school in the state and have made it every year for like 10 years. Placing in the top 3rd-7th each time. They run a 5k whereas my girls run 3200 xc so I figured whatever they are doing would still be an improvement on the 20-something mile max my kids would be doing back home. My kids have been so fortunate to be able to run with this coach and they are REALLY enjoying the experience!

Anyway, my 17 to is up to 40 mpw this week and the other 2 are at 30. They haven't been racing because they are doing so much running and a lot of it is quite quick. As an example, today was 3xmile repeats at avg 6:06 for my oldest. Plus cd/wu etc.

To the point. The girls decided theyd like to at least attend the large meet that happens the last weekend of July. It would mean a qualifying race on July 13th. The qualifying race shouldn't require much effort (or any) possibly. 3 advance and some years there aren't even 3 in each race/age. They are trying to convince me the big meet will give them an opportunity to see if they've improved after 2 months. A real race against real competition.

They'll be up to 40 and 50 miles respectively by then if they continue to run well and I'd like everyone's opinion on their idea.

If they race, when do they need to stop doing the xc workouts to race effectively? 1 or 2 days? More? I'm kind of scared their bodies will be tired from all the workouts and a bad race could make them doubt the work they've put in. Does that make sense?

It sounds like they are doing very well and most important, enthusiastic about running and even making new friends through it, which is great. Race or no race, I think your best role is to be the "calm center" amidst all of the activity. Tell then that you are frankly concerned that they could get worn out with all the increase in training, and make them talk you into running the races. That way you know they probably are not overracing/overtraining. Also make sure they are doing other fun summer stuff like swimming, hiking, picnics, whatever. Let them be kids. They have many great running experiences ahead of them if they don't get hurt or burned out.

YMMV wrote:

It sounds like they are doing very well and most important, enthusiastic about running and even making new friends through it, which is great. Race or no race, I think your best role is to be the "calm center" amidst all of the activity. Tell then that you are frankly concerned that they could get worn out with all the increase in training, and make them talk you into running the races. That way you know they probably are not overracing/overtraining. Also make sure they are doing other fun summer stuff like swimming, hiking, picnics, whatever. Let them be kids. They have many great running experiences ahead of them if they don't get hurt or burned out.

The other half of the time when we're not running we are recovering from sunburn from swimming. We've been to 4 water parks, the beach, zoo, museum, American ninja warrior, 2 escape rooms, gymnastics, bowling, roller skating... I'm sure there was more. Ohhh, they've drug me to the same pet store 6 times to try and convince me we need another dog. Lol. We're going to another water park tomorrow, a concert on 4th of July, and a rodeo next week. I'm not sure about them but I'm more exhausted right now than I am during the school year!

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

They were talking to this other runner and she invited them to come run with her school team (if her coach was okay with it). As it turns out he was really open to the idea.

If they race, when do they need to stop doing the xc workouts to race effectively? 1 or 2 days? More?

You could ask that other team's coach, to see what s/he says.

Personally, I would definitely let them run the races.

So, I went ahead and signed them up since the deadline was midnight last night. That other coach said he didn't see any problem with them running.

We did 2xmile repeats tonight. 1st one was a 7:00! I'm so freaking disappointed I couldn't break 7 but its still a PR so I'll take it.

SlowAFRunnrMom wrote:

We did 2xmile repeats tonight. 1st one was a 7:00! I'm so freaking disappointed I couldn't break 7 but its still a PR so I'll take it.

Awesome! You're all doing great.