Stop refering to yourself as "Former D1". It is not impressive.

H.E. Pennypacker wrote:

There are so many bad D1 teams and runners that the term is meaningless. It does not give you some kind of life-long serious runner status. You're a hobby jogger, and "former d1" does not save you from hobby joggerville.

I guess that this means someone like Steve Scott, Seb Coe, etc. are all "hobbyjoggers" in your point of view.

D1 Status wrote:

H.E. Pennypacker wrote:

There are so many bad D1 teams and runners that the term is meaningless. It does not give you some kind of life-long serious runner status. You're a hobby jogger, and "former d1" does not save you from hobby joggerville.

I guess that this means someone like Steve Scott, Seb Coe, etc. are all "hobbyjoggers" in your point of view.

No, they're washed up has-beens. That's worse than being a hobby jogger.

Poser wrote:

The only statement that is less impressive is referring to yourself as “All-American” while you competed at DII or DIII.

I guess it's kind of like when someone says, "I used to play professional soccer" and then you find out it was only in the MLS, not in a European league.

Folks, if you want to brag about your running resume (and really, why would you?), there's an easy way to do it: list your PRs!

Who cares what "division" you ran in college? That is meaningless. List your PRs. Cold, hard numbers that clearly state your standing in the running world. This isn't figure skating; there are hard, objective numbers that tell exactly where you rank.

sorry for the long wait on the reply

in hs i only ran one 800....i was a sprinter during track, but my dad was also the cross coach. my senior year i ran 17:20 and 17:46 at state. but most of the time i was 18:00 - 18:30s.

yes i was a slight enigma i would say, i only had a 19" vert yet i was able to run 10.77....i would be getting absolutely crushed till 60-65m then my top end speed finally came in, but to be honest my average sr year was 10.98, and got 2nd in state by 1/100th of a second into some serious wind with an 11.02 (yes i know its slow for most states, but whatever no need to lie about sh*t)

in college the coaches thought with my speed and cross background i would be a 1:48 guy....nope it never happened. i would always blow up super hard at 620m or so....so there it was, i wasnt explosive enough (fast twitch II fibers), yet i lacked the ability to crush endurance, not enough slow twitch...what me and my coach came to the conclusion was i was a fast twitch 1 (the slow lame kind, can train either fast twitch or slow twitch but never be above average at either)

so yeah after 4 or so 800s in college, the first one being my fastest and the last one being 1:56 low, i blew my hammy and that was that...the next season i went back to training for the 400.

maybe if i never did that summer/cross of high mileage with the cross team, but just stayed on 400m training the whole time in college i could have run faster, but thats all what ifs and maybes

so for you guys that also so the issue, my 500m and 600m prs dont fit good either

1:05

1:18 (but i did come through 49 and it was painful)

in the few 800s i ran i would usually come through 1:21-1:23 then die so bad and it was sh*t, i would feel so good then BOOOM game over

Running D1 on any team is a damn impressive credential in my book.

Agree with the OP. If you need to describe yourself as a "former D1 runner" you are overcompensating. Real runners don't have the need to differentiate. It doesn't make you a better runner or a better student. The only thing it really does is confirm your douchebag DNA.

Unless the topic is the D2 campus experience, the designation really has no meaning. The cream rises to the top, no matter which dairy it came from.

D1 is not an "arbitrary" designation, so OP must have been a D2 guy...

Best response everrrr

H.E. Pennypacker wrote:

There are so many bad D1 teams and runners that the term is meaningless. It does not give you some kind of life-long serious runner status. You're a hobby jogger, and "former d1" does not save you from hobby joggerville.

This successful trolling was brought to you by me. You may remember me from such popular trollings as "Hey all you hobby joggers, one week til your turkey trots!" and other holiday themed hobby jogger posts. This troll post even got a link on the letsrun main page! 10/10 for me, with a big assist to all you over-serious former D1 guys who stirred things up and kept this one going. Good work to all, and look for me in future hobby jogger themed troll posts in the near future (the Labor Day 5k is just around the corner!).

I have a really hard time believing you ran 47.6 and 9:12 (after going out in 4:18), but only ran 1:54.

And you ran 62:15 mile at 8000ft, but could only 17:20 (presumably not at altitude).

Something does not compute.

H.E. Pennypacker wrote:

H.E. Pennypacker wrote:

There are so many bad D1 teams and runners that the term is meaningless. It does not give you some kind of life-long serious runner status. You're a hobby jogger, and "former d1" does not save you from hobby joggerville.

This successful trolling was brought to you by me. You may remember me from such popular trollings as "Hey all you hobby joggers, one week til your turkey trots!" and other holiday themed hobby jogger posts. This troll post even got a link on the letsrun main page! 10/10 for me, with a big assist to all you over-serious former D1 guys who stirred things up and kept this one going. Good work to all, and look for me in future hobby jogger themed troll posts in the near future (the Labor Day 5k is just around the corner!).

And you know a troll post was good when it spawns other new troll threads. This one has achieved that, and it may even become a new meme. Troll win!

You forgot gross income from last years IRS report .

well now wrote:

coopersville wrote:

What's arbitrary about it?

D2 teams beat D1 teams all the freakin' time.

You can count on one hand the d2 teams that can beat some d1 teams.

Adams State, perennially can beat many and most d1 schools.

Doesn't matter.

If you run at a high level in college, d1 or other, your already competing against the highest level you can find short of pros.

No 30 year old or 40 year old non-pro is competing anywhere near the same competition doing 5 & 10k's or marathons in road races unless they are pros, period.

If you set your 10k pr at age 36 and it's good (sub 30??) , then you either would have been better in a d1 program, or you actually have very little God given talent but lots of free time.

Most elite d1 athletes move on after college knowing they spent their best athletic years actually competing against the best. Cycling, swimming, skiing and a ton of other things are much funner than putting in 100 mpw trying to chase a PR @ 30 years old.

-You can always tell the runners who sucked at track in high school byear the way they chase pr's way past there prime.

Another thing to the OP..... Everyone who could beat you in HS, could still beat you today if they trained like you still do.

Love,

Former d1 runner

Dude, look a few posts up. You got trolled. Hard.

Doh!

Knew it too, just didn't read past first few posts.

I like it hard!

No way man - I ran D1 and though could barely break 14:40 and 31:00, I'm 52 years old and it's all I have to cling to.

YOU WILL NOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME!

I'm going to keep referring to myself as a "former D1" even though most of today's D3 teams have runners that could thrash my times.

The solution wrote:

This is why letsrun needs registered users. To sign up, you need your full name, which men's D1 program you ran at (no females here please, they get by on talent and not hard work) your PRs, your degree and major, your social security number, a signed copy of your transcript, the results of a recent VO2 max test, and the home phone number of your former D1 coach to verify your D1-ness. Everyone else can go to Runners World forums or Reddit.

And that would be the world's most boring message board. Sample post:

"Hey BCEagle07, how was your tempo run yesterday?"

"I nailed it Hanover09, I wore my flats"

"No way!"

9:12 and 1:54 (indoor at Texas tech, back when it was a circle) was soph yr college, by the end of indoor I was having a very hard time running 52 for 400 and blew my hammy. 47.68 was last meet senior year, at altitude so take that for what it’s worth.

My 17:20 senior year hs was at liberty bell invitational, which is in Denver, if I remember correctly the last mile is on asphalt. But like I said the rest of the year was 18-18:30’s, then at I think Kent Denver was state I ran my only other 17, with a 17:46.

Besides the times we ran in leadville (10,200) I would say most races were around 5000-6000ft.