What will Jakob Ingebrigtsen's 1500 and 5000 PRs be at the end of his career?

Coevett wrote:

tryuet wrote:

The more you post, the more you show your ignorance about the sport.

Well I'm happy to be in the same company as Steve Cram you moron (ex-runner). I was simply reporting what Steve Cram clearly stated to a nationwide live television audience watching the 1500 final.

Hey racist moron, I am not doubting Cram said that (even though nowadays I doubt everything you say), I am just pointing out your ignorance when using the word ONLY.

Only? Early puberty? Training seriously from age 13 and you say ONLY?

Racist loon.

Go ahead and ask the Brojos for IPs. You will find that ex-runner and I are in completely different sides of the world

You are honestly so weird. I've seen two interviews with Filip and in both he talked about Jakob training specificallly for this for 7 years. What am I making up? I never claimed to have seen every one of his interviews?! You are making things up as usual.

I claimed to have seen/read TWO and in two Fillip talked about Jakob.

I don't expect he had the same volume as he does now for the entire 7 years, but that's not what 'training like a professional' means. Every professional has different volumes and has tried different volumes throughout their careers. Jakob has had the benefit of training alongside and learning from two pros his whole life.

You aren't even arguing with me, you are arguing with Filip. I can just find one of the interviews and post it here for you if you'd like?

Why do you keep accusing everyone on this forum of being me? It's so paranoid and odd.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Kid phenoms are early peakers, that's the only way to be so good at such a young age. They are done by the time they are 20. That's when Ryun set his PR's. Mary Cain was already over the hill. Nigel Amos ever sub 1:42 again, not a chance.

From 3:31 Jakob will get to 3:29. Maybe 3:28, no further. People don't understand he is already just about at his limit.

ya, that is the conventional wisdom.

all bets are off with phenoms.

cain wasn't a phenom.

amos may win the OG. he's going to rank #1 or #2 in the world this year.

ryun improved a lot from 17 to 20. huge.

Coevett wrote:

And I thought you were going to stop supporting yourself through fake handles within 5 minutes of your registered handle posts?

This, coming from you, is just hilarious.

ex-runner wrote:

I don't expect he had the same volume as he does now for the entire 7 years, but that's not what 'training like a professional' means. Every professional has different volumes and has tried different volumes throughout their careers. Jakob has had the benefit of training alongside and learning from two pros his whole life.

Yes, he has had that benefit. But he hasn't trained like a professional for 7 years like e.g Centro trained from he was 20-27. You get that right? This is regarding him burning out.

Had he trained like he does now for 7 years prior, then one could make the argument he would burn of before 25. Its just recent year he is almost 100% training like a professional. And even then he has ways to go, finish school, go to as many altitude camps as his brothers, more time to rest, maturing because of his age etc. He won't run 3.24 by the time he is 25 though, obviously not.

All this who said this and that is just BS, Gjert has used the norwegian model of slow progression, but progression all the time, so J has been training like a norwegian or pro or whatever you want to call it for several years, they have stated that only come to this year he has been following his brothers on most sessions, but Gjert has also said that "he has got more to go on trainingwise".

So. You are all correct. No problem, stop BS.

Jakob will mature and get stronger. 3:26 and 12:42 or something, AND 25:59!!!

What new miracle drug have the Norwegians come up with?

The drug called better and more doping controls world wide, it gives a great boost to honest people putting in hard work all over the world.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Kid phenoms are early peakers, that's the only way to be so good at such a young age. They are done by the time they are 20. That's when Ryun set his PR's. Mary Cain was already over the hill. Nigel Amos ever sub 1:42 again, not a chance.

From 3:31 Jakob will get to 3:29. Maybe 3:28, no further. People don't understand he is already just about at his limit.

Bad Wiggins strikes again!

The YouTube channel that referenced Subway and others on this forum in a video about Jakob last year, has uploaded a new one discussing whether he is still on progress to run 3:46 and 12:40 (the predictions made in the first video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IftoPjXc2qM

800 meter

2017 | 1,49,40

2016 | 1,51,07

2015 | 1,52,60

2014 | 2,05,02

2013 | 2,04,48

2012 | 2,14,03

1500 meter

2019 | 3,30,16

2018 | 3,31,18 (3:37,25 outside of Monaco)

2017 | 3,39,92

2016 | 3,42,44

2015 | 3,48,37

2014 | 4,05,49

2013 | 4,15,87

2012 | 4,21,98

5000 meters

2019 | 13:02

2018 | 13:17

2017 | 13:35

2016 | 14:38

There is no sign that Jakob is anywhere near his peak yet.

True he only improved his 1500m pb by 1 second this year, but that's misleading because he was surely going to run sub 3:29 at Monaco this year if Tim hadn't decided to slow it down. His fastest time last year outside of Monaco was 3:27. By contrast, this year he ran under 3:32 five times.

He just finished fifth in the 5000m and fourth in the 1500m (despite being clearly tired and bruised from his earlier efforts), and people are writing him off. He turned 19 two weeks ago. Crazy.

I predict with confidence he will be a consistent sub 3:30 sub 12:55 man next summer, and that's certainly going to put him in the medals and in with a real chance of gold.

Hang in there.