Linden leaves Hansons

Amerikano wrote:

Desi knows her reputation is closely linked with the Hanson’s. And on the first opportunity, the Hanson’s pick up Ritz, a guy with a known history of a lot of controversial drug usage with AlSal, from one of the shadiest programs in distance running. Yes, that is a huge letdown for someone who wants to steer clear of that type of reputation, and the public does link by association.

Not nearly as much as you, and possibly Desi, think. Ritz has his issues, like staying with Hudson for far too long or opting for Salazar/NOP over Schumacher/BTC, but don't give him too much credit here. Desi has every right to get a wholly individual endorsement sponsorship package, and should. There isn't more perfect timing for her than now, after winning Boston regardless of fashion. It's far more the case that the Hansons group couldn't do any more for her at this point, as the brothers freely acknowledge, than any other combination of factors. The Ritz beef is small potatoes being made into a mountain. She doesn't need to relocate to some other group, either, that wouldn't benefit her at this point to change that much from what she likes. She should keep doing what she's doing basically right where she is, she can split time between AZ and MI and Ryan can write the training unless they want to shake things up by bringing someone like Vigil into the picture.

Desi will always be associated with Hansons no matter what she wears. Unless,she wins another WMM. Much like Kara is still thought of as a Nike athlete even though she wears Skechers.

You are right that Desi will not join another group. She has thrived off of the Hansons philosophy and she is not about to switch. Ryan doesn't want to coach Desi and Desi doesn't want him to. She will be self coached through 2020 and then retire.

red glare wrote:

come on now wrote:

Yet Ritz, Rupp, etc. have never tested positive for anything. They are definitely getting tested (very frequently) and are clean.

Probably the most willfully ignorant statement on a board that is basically a cesspool of willfull ignorance. Congrats, I guess.

+1

All these drug cheat defenders here are sickening.

red glare wrote:

come on now wrote:

Yet Ritz, Rupp, etc. have never tested positive for anything. They are definitely getting tested (very frequently) and are clean.

Probably the most willfully ignorant statement on a board that is basically a cesspool of willfull ignorance. Congrats, I guess.

then prove it. show us the positive drug tests.

show us the evidence, the smoking gun.

show it to the drug testers too, because they haven't seen anything to justify any sort of suspension/punishment.

Here we go again...

Ritz admitted to receiving L-carnitine injected directly into his blood in over the allowable volume of fluid per day. I believe he admitted to doing this on multiple occasions. He literally admitted to a doping infraction, received no punishment, and then Hansons gave him a pro contract to be a professional runner on a team that everybody had respect for. Tarnishes a good name that Desi worked hard for. Wouldn't you be pissed? I understand leniency since Ritz spoke, and generally people like him, but he cheated, and you don't need a positive test when he actually testified that he did something in direct violation of anti doping rules.

Still with Brooks.

Maybe just maybe wrote:

Perhaps linden is the dirt one. She is the only top level marathoner that would of been impossible to predict.

Look at the college careers of Shalane, Amy, Kara, Deena, and Desi. Only one came out of nowhere.

Training trips to Kenya seem to appear as a dodgy practice these days given the sheer magnitude of drugs busts coming out of that country with just a very limited testing system ...

Awnry Henri wrote:

Ritz admitted to receiving L-carnitine injected directly into his blood in over the allowable volume of fluid per day. I believe he admitted to doing this on multiple occasions. He literally admitted to a doping infraction, received no punishment, and then Hansons gave him a pro contract to be a professional runner on a team that everybody had respect for. Tarnishes a good name that Desi worked hard for. Wouldn't you be pissed? I understand leniency since Ritz spoke, and generally people like him, but he cheated, and you don't need a positive test when he actually testified that he did something in direct violation of anti doping rules.

+1000000

Ritz testified to himself being given more than the allowable amount. He himself believed he was given more than the allowed amount. Nobody else made that claim but Ritz.

He also had a breakout year on the track resurging to try and qualify for the 10k when everyone had counted him out. This was happening at that exact time. The correlation is so strong that we could almost call it causation, except with running obviously the training is important, too. Then around this same time Farah and Rupp go 1-2 in the Olympics. I don't understand how anyone can walk away with a good feeling for the NOP when you start putting factual, demonstrable puzzle pieces like this together.

Regarding Desi, she had a good career with the Hansons. She put in the work. Now she's finally on the stage where she can demand more and after having earned it why shouldn't she put herself out there and see what offers she receives?

Its not what was injected it was the volume of fluid that was considered dangerous but not banned.

She won't get much of greater than she already has, maybe a reduction. Every stock photo is with Brooks and Hansons. She will get a few good race offers and appliance money for this next year but performances will dictate the next years. post Boston has not gone well for her racing to date.

Desi is an athlete at the end of her career, won Boston on flyer, there are group of younger americans on the move that will get the money in the future.

Idiots galore wrote:

She won't get much of greater than she already has, maybe a reduction. Every stock photo is with Brooks and Hansons. She will get a few good race offers and appliance money for this next year but performances will dictate the next years. post Boston has not gone well for her racing to date.

Desi is an athlete at the end of her career, won Boston on flyer, there are group of younger americans on the move that will get the money in the future.

She's still with Brooks and the images of her winning Boston are in a Brooks jacket, not a Hanson's singlet.

I doubt many would argue that she's likely to have a better result in the future than winning Boston.

Runnergrl wrote:

I agree. I’m really tired of these runners throwing tantrums. There is no evidence anything be has done anything wrong. Been going on way too long while other runners are getting blamed and persecuted by media and public.

Desi, Kara and Shalane should mind their business. I can’t wait till Molly and Jordan take over! They have class!

Tantrum?!?!?!?

You consider a tweet where Desi announces a team change to be a tantrum?

You are truly the epitome of a stereotypical LR poster. And that is NOT a good look.

Deer Idiot,

Drug testing doesn't catch cheaters even the majority of the time. You are on the interwebs, you can use it to educate yourself. Or not. Go troll some other topic, this is dead.

then prove it wrote:

red glare wrote:

Probably the most willfully ignorant statement on a board that is basically a cesspool of willfull ignorance. Congrats, I guess.

then prove it. show us the positive drug tests.

show us the evidence, the smoking gun.

show it to the drug testers too, because they haven't seen anything to justify any sort of suspension/punishment.

Is that you Lance?

Shoebacca wrote:

He also had a breakout year on the track resurging to try and qualify for the 10k when everyone had counted him out. This was happening at that exact time. The correlation is so strong that we could almost call it causation, except with running obviously the training is important, too. Then around this same time Farah and Rupp go 1-2 in the Olympics. I don't understand how anyone can walk away with a good feeling for the NOP when you start putting factual, demonstrable puzzle pieces like this together.

If this took place in Africa everyone on LR would scream CHEATING.

The NOP fanboys will look the other way since it is happening on their home turf.

You're absolutely right, Desi will always be viewed as part and parcel of Hansons. FYI, I was chiefly referring to a "Linden > Hansons > Ritz" associative link. Few have seen Ritz cross a finish line in a Hansons singlet, he hasn't done anything competitively to be on the general running fan's radar in the past few years and almost none know about the l-carnitine stuff. A large portion of running message board nerds know, of course.

NOP Supertramp wrote:

Runnergrl wrote:

I agree. I’m really tired of these runners throwing tantrums. There is no evidence anything be has done anything wrong. Been going on way too long while other runners are getting blamed and persecuted by media and public.

Desi, Kara and Shalane should mind their business. I can’t wait till Molly and Jordan take over! They have class!

Tantrum?!?!?!?

You consider a tweet where Desi announces a team change to be a tantrum?

You are truly the epitome of a stereotypical LR poster. And that is NOT a good look.

People who spend too much time on message boards or comments sections become sucked into a sort of hive mind, because they are lacking in having meaningful, challenging lives that would ground them in perspective. So they join the chorus that invents any manner of drama, usually involving accusations of poor behavior by others. They invent clashes, rivalries, reactions, and crimes out of flimsy material. Before internet message boards, you'd find this sort of person watching soap operas religiously and gossiping with and about family, friends, and neighbors.

But Hansons doesn't sponsor Desi. Brooks does, and she's still with them. Hansons are her coaches.

won't get fooled again wrote:

Maybe just maybe wrote:

Perhaps linden is the dirt one. She is the only top level marathoner that would of been impossible to predict.

Look at the college careers of Shalane, Amy, Kara, Deena, and Desi. Only one came out of nowhere.

Training trips to Kenya seem to appear as a dodgy practice these days given the sheer magnitude of drugs busts coming out of that country with just a very limited testing system ...

The lady protests too much. I live in Troy Michigan and have been a customer of Hansons for 20 years. There has always been talk about whether or not Des is clean. Good coaching and great training is not enough to create the improvements she has shown over the years. Look at early pictures from 2006 and 2007. Those Kenyan trips have had a major impact on her.