20-year-old Italian Filippo Tortu runs 9.99 in the 100 in Madrid -- 2nd white guy ever under 10?

Seems ABP and improved testing is changing the makeup of the sprint finals as well as the distance events.

foo wrote:

Straight Talking Terrence wrote:

We don't care what his skin color is, we care what his race is. Some of us are race realists.

Like I said, who the fcuk cares? Other than racists.

Says the white suburban SJW who sees race and black oppression everywhere, even when he's on the John.

such a surprise to see Coevett chiming in on this thread.....

That's for you two.... please make sure to run it on repeat...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Regginald wrote:

Lemon Lime 5000 metre runner wrote:

When was Italian considered white? Last I checked they were not.

Exactly. Italians aren’t white and Africa begins at Rome.

And I mean YOU TWO....

Coevett wrote:

Seems ABP and improved testing is changing the makeup of the sprint finals as well as the distance events.

ABP is not likely to catch sprinters since blood doping has little effect on these events.

Heck Kenyans used to be excellent sprinters from the 1960s up until the beginning of 1990s. Their disappearance makes me believe that EPO is not effective under 400m.

As for believing that improved testing allows Chinese sprinters to prevail.

Considering that they had a state sponsored doping no so long ago (they are still ruled by communists), that they were probably the first to experiment EPO (the 1993 girls and their silly times) and that Su Bingtian is nearly 30 years old, but has been improving his times over 60m and 100m (9"91 in still wind) this year like an age grouper, after a couple of year of stagnation, and that the level of corruption in China is relatively high (they are however very well organized). That would rather point out towards improved methods of doping....

On letsrun, 400m athletes and sprinters are used in the same sentence. You stated Kenyan sprinters from the 1960s. You are referring to Daniel Rudisha and his fellow 4 x 400m relay men. Kenyan (45 to 47) second 400m men didn't go away. Kenyan (45 to 47) second 400m metre men race 800m now. How did this thread go from commenting on an Italian 100m sprinter to Kenyans?

Though they don't use the term wrote:

Chinese guys are "white" too.

and you don't have to be Einstein to know that!

foo wrote:

Who cares what his skin color is?

WTF would you even keep track of that?

A better question would be why more white people have not broken 10.

So it does has relevance as the original post may encourage others to do it or at least take up sprinting when they might not bother.

ironside wrote:

On letsrun, 400m athletes and sprinters are used in the same sentence. You stated Kenyan sprinters from the 1960s. You are referring to Daniel Rudisha and his fellow 4 x 400m relay men. Kenyan (45 to 47) second 400m men didn't go away. Kenyan (45 to 47) second 400m metre men race 800m now. How did this thread go from commenting on an Italian 100m sprinter to Kenyans?

45 to 47 seconds men in the 1960s were winning medals in competitions, and sometimes topping the charts. Considering the time progression of Kenyans MD runners , these 45 to 47 seconds men should have been running 43s in the 1990s, which made believe that whatever they did for their MD runners did not work for their sprinters.

Coevett wrote:

Seems ABP and improved testing is changing the makeup of the sprint finals as well as the distance events.

Not really. Asian sprinting has been improving for a long time, well before ABP. The Japan 4x1 has won several international medals. Su has been on the rise since U-20 Worlds. If anything is depressing black sprinting in the U.S., it is obviously the NFL and NBA salary scale.

If you were to rank the top 100m sprinters in the world right now, it would be something like:

1. Coleman

2. Lyles

3. DeGrasse

4. Cheater Gatlin

5. Su

6. Bromell

7. Baker

8. Simbe

9. Hughes

10. Tortu

11. Xi

DeGrasse above Gatlin? Bromell above Baker?

Straight Talking Terrence wrote:

foo wrote:

Who cares what his skin color is?

WTF would you even keep track of that?

We don't care what his skin color is, we care what his race is. Some of us are race realists.

Race is arbitrary. If you can’t point to a direct physical correspondence, don’t act like it’s something with real significance.

foo wrote:

Straight Talking Terrence wrote:

We don't care what his skin color is, we care what his race is. Some of us are race realists.

Like I said, who the fcuk cares? Other than racists.

Stop pretending that someone's racial background has nothing to do with their genetics and therefore their athletic ability or performances for the sake of making yourself feel like you're righting some social injustice in the world.

Someone saying "Why can't you run fast, aren't you black" to a black person = racist

Someone saying "Black people are performing better at a higher level of sprinting than white people" = fact

This thread (at least the original intent, not sure about some of these responses) is falling under the second category here. It's obvious that black people are historically and statistically running faster than white people. So when someone white breaks a significant benchmark like 10 seconds, it's interesting to see how many have actually done that. That's it.

In my opinion who is not black, that counts white, so Tortu is clearly not the 2nd white runner under 10.

1. Bingtian Su - 9.91 (0.2) - 2018 - China, Mongolid race

2. Christophe Lemaitre - 9.92 (2.0) - 2011 - France, Caucasian race

- Patrick Johnson - 9.93 (1.8) - 2003 - Australia, half-Caucasian (Irish), half-Aboriginal (he may count black)

3. Adam Gemili - 9.97 (2.0) - 2015 - Great Britain, Caucasian race (half-Moroccoan, half-Iranian)

3. Ramil Guliyev - 9.97 (1.5) - 2017 - Azerbaijan/Turkey, Caucasian race

3. Zhenye Xie - 9.97 (0.9) - 2018 - China, Mongolid race

6. Yoshihide Kiryu - 9.98 (1.8) - 2017 - Japan, Mongolid race

7. Filippo Tortu - 9.99 (0.2) - 2018 - Italy, Caucasian race

Scientifically wrote:

Straight Talking Terrence wrote:

We don't care what his skin color is, we care what his race is. Some of us are race realists.

Race is arbitrary. If you can’t point to a direct physical correspondence, don’t act like it’s something with real significance.

Interesting. Is that the line you use when you try to pick up those naive white college chicks?

somebody with a fork wrote:

foo wrote:

Like I said, who the fcuk cares? Other than racists.

Stop pretending that someone's racial background has nothing to do with their genetics and therefore their athletic ability or performances for the sake of making yourself feel like you're righting some social injustice in the world.

Someone saying "Why can't you run fast, aren't you black" to a black person = racist

Someone saying "Black people are performing better at a higher level of sprinting than white people" = fact

This thread (at least the original intent, not sure about some of these responses) is falling under the second category here. It's obvious that black people are historically and statistically running faster than white people. So when someone white breaks a significant benchmark like 10 seconds, it's interesting to see how many have actually done that. That's it.

Tortu's accomplishment is interesting in the fact that only a few whites would consider taking up running as a career sport and when a talented white takes up the sport, especially in Europe where you have so many other pro options such as Futbol, Handball, Volleyball, Tennis, Cycling, Hockey, Basketball, Rugby, etc that it becomes a unique and interesting thing that people want to follow. Also, people around the world follow their own race in many cases. It's just the way everyone is wired. Are you going to go tell gays that they should stop being so closed minded and consider picking up chicks?

I have always looked at these kind of argument with suspicion, because all these sports are not popular everywhere in Europe, and when they are popular they are popular amongst all ethnic group (look at the French handball team). At least in Italy, team handball or hockey are absolutely non existant.

Secondly, being fast is not a prerequisite in many of these sports which are mostly skills driven . The only really universally popular sport in Europe is football, but when you look at the ethnic composition of national teams of European countries who tend to have a large ethnic population, you understand quickly that everybody seems to play this sport.

The English football team is roughly made by 50% of non native englishmen, and the "ethnics" who make half of this team are not Indians or Pakistanis. Even in rugby which is a mostly "White" upper class sport in England (mostly niche outside the British Isles and France), the very same "ethnics" tend to be overrepresented in the speed positions, and despite that when I'm looking at British rankings in short sprints these people, with a relatively limited population in number within Britain tend to be overrepresented again.

To everyone complaining about the talk of race. There is this book you should read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sports_Gene