Metcalf steps down from coaching at University of Washington

New Coach Possibilities wrote:

I think Dave Smith would be a great hire for UW. What he has been able to do with a middle-of-nowhere place that seems impossible to recruit to is really impressive.

Another possibility would be Bill Roe from Western Washington. Former head of USATF and Seattlite, Bill has been the brains of the training at WWU for quite a few years now with a good amount of success. Big-time thinker too.

Bill Roe is a very good administrator and does alright at WWU but it is a small school. UW is a bigger D1 school and the whole recruiting process is much bigger. I don't know if at his age (68+?) if he would be looking to enter the much more competitive aspects of a D1 program.

rojo wrote:

3) Yes, we delete posts.. Please stop the crap about East Coast bias. The thing about moderation is you have no idea what we've deleted. The reality is we have deleted a lot of stuff in this very thread. You should see the VERY specific allegations we have deleted in this thread - the biggest post actually also included allegations against another program - the biggest program in all of track and field which happens to be a West Coast school (Oregon).

this is great.

'See we don't have an agenda against Oregon. We deleted slanderous posts about them....and trust me.........those posts, they were BAD! Like REALLY REALLY BAD!'

sometimes it's like there is a circuit missing in your brain rojo

derp, I think your brain is running in circles.

The brojos are not sitting in their mom's basement, trying to show people they are legit runners or prove their opinions are relevant. They are running a website. It's a business. Part of this site is the world famous message boards. Yes, they do delete stuff, but if you continue to interpret that as support and protection of a university program, rather than support and protection of their business, then you are a bit naive.

As for Oregon, LRC has posted big time articles on its front page about NOP and Salazar. LRC is in no way protecting Oregon (or NOP).

PNW writers generally like to be buddy-buddy with coaching staffs so they can get better access to stories and insights. Ken Goe doesn't seem to be critical of Oregon and NOP, and Paul Merca doesn't seem to be critical of Metcalf.

Draco wrote:

HuskyFan wrote:

He is a salesman. PERIOD. The man couldn't coach for the life of him

The dude is a charlatan. He doesn't know how to coach. I've listened to some of his UW 400m hurdlers talk about their workouts. They don't make sense. And then they go run and lose.

Metcalf is not a good coach

Some opinions differ from yours. When Metcalf left Auburn in 1997 to coach at his alma mater Washington, former head coach Mel Rosen said that Auburn had lost a very good coach.

Meet me on the Ave wrote:

derp, I think your brain is running in circles.

The brojos are not sitting in their mom's basement, trying to show people they are legit runners or prove their opinions are relevant. They are running a website. It's a business. Part of this site is the world famous message boards. Yes, they do delete stuff, but if you continue to interpret that as support and protection of a university program, rather than support and protection of their business, then you are a bit naive.

As for Oregon, LRC has posted big time articles on its front page about NOP and Salazar. LRC is in no way protecting Oregon (or NOP). .

wait.........wut?

you interpreted what I wrote as saying the Brojos were covering up for Oregon? ? ? ? ?

wow

ABC12310 wrote:

I’ll give some details. Metcalf sexually harasses his female athletes, making them extremely uncomfortable. He calls them fat and at one time required non-private weigh-ins in the weight room. He treats his athletes like race horses, running them until they are too injured to compete and then threatening with removal of scholarship if they can’t heal in time. He messes with them psychologically - creating an extremely unhealthy dependence. It’s upsetting how many careers/lives he has ruined and a shame that it was allowed to go on so long.

And now they're going to replace him with Dave Smith? lol. Oh the irony.

derp wrote:

Meet me on the Ave wrote:

derp, I think your brain is running in circles.

The brojos are not sitting in their mom's basement, trying to show people they are legit runners or prove their opinions are relevant. They are running a website. It's a business. Part of this site is the world famous message boards. Yes, they do delete stuff, but if you continue to interpret that as support and protection of a university program, rather than support and protection of their business, then you are a bit naive.

As for Oregon, LRC has posted big time articles on its front page about NOP and Salazar. LRC is in no way protecting Oregon (or NOP). .

wait.........wut?

you interpreted what I wrote as saying the Brojos were covering up for Oregon? ? ? ? ?

wow

I was thinking the same thing. It sounds serious, but you can never discount a potential really solid troll. The beauty of these boards: you never know what to think.

Metcalf and Smith go way back. The dynamic duo.

FYI - the hurdles coach at UW is Jeshua Anderson, former WSU all american. I don't know for sure the inner workings of the coaching staff, but I suspect he was the one doing the workouts and coaching of the hurdlers. But maybe Metcalf wrote the workouts for all the athletes and the assistant coaches just administered the prescribed workouts.

Actually, Mark MacDonald (with help from Jeshua) writes the workouts for the long hurdlers. MacDonald used to coach Jeshua at WSU before Rick Sloan retired & Wayne Phipps cleaned house.

Though he's a great guy, I am a little reluctant to see Dave Smith as the next UW head coach. I don't think pulling the "Oklahoma State/Portland/any school that puts all their money into distance runners" model will fly with the alumni, and especially at Washington, where there's a tradition with the vault and the throws (at least there was when Ken Shannon coached there). Currently, the LJ/TJ/HJ are a joke , and I think they could do better trying to recruit multi-event athletes (haven't had a good one since Jeremy Taiwo).

btw, did anyone notice after the 2018 MPSF meet that Jack Lembcke, their shot putter, was left off the team going to the NCAA indoors even though he was in the top 16? Paul Merca reported that Lembcke got booted off the team for a "rules violation". Makes you wanna say "hmmm"

Referring to Jeshua Anderson as a "former WSU all american" is a bit of a disservice to him. He was a multi(3?) time NCAA champ and made the US team for at least 1 world championship.

Treats his athletes like race horses? Seemed to work fine for a guy who used to coach in Arkansas.

apples to apples wrote:

ABC12310 wrote:

I’ll give some details. Metcalf sexually harasses his female athletes, making them extremely uncomfortable. He calls them fat and at one time required non-private weigh-ins in the weight room. He treats his athletes like race horses, running them until they are too injured to compete and then threatening with removal of scholarship if they can’t heal in time. He messes with them psychologically - creating an extremely unhealthy dependence. It’s upsetting how many careers/lives he has ruined and a shame that it was allowed to go on so long.

And now they're going to replace him with Dave Smith? lol. Oh the irony.

+1

Freedom of speech can be messy but is necessary wrote:

There is a reason Freedom of Speech is the FIRST amendment of the US Constitution, it is the foundation of a stable democracy. Anonymity on this board serves to enable people to speak out where they otherwise would not (retaliation, job termination). This message board has been good for the sport despite having to wade through the nonsense of a few posters.

I generally agree, but you should lose the pieties about "Freedom of Speech" and the constitution. They have nothing to do with message boards. The First Amendment applies to government, not to private people. It says, "Congress shall make no law..." Since LRC is not a branch of the government, the owners can do what they want with their message board.

Give me a break! wrote:

Freedom of speech can be messy but is necessary wrote:

There is a reason Freedom of Speech is the FIRST amendment of the US Constitution, it is the foundation of a stable democracy. Anonymity on this board serves to enable people to speak out where they otherwise would not (retaliation, job termination). This message board has been good for the sport despite having to wade through the nonsense of a few posters.

I generally agree, but you should lose the pieties about "Freedom of Speech" and the constitution. They have nothing to do with message boards. The First Amendment applies to government, not to private people. It says, "Congress shall make no law..." Since LRC is not a branch of the government, the owners can do what they want with their message board.

I see you're smoking the good stuff today.

Fool Alert wrote:

I see you're smoking the good stuff today.

0/10

Even by LRC standards, that's lame. Really lame.

I know the Oregon "rumor" and its 100% true. Question now is what happens over next 3 weeks.

Jennifer Cohen has hit a home run with two of her biggest hires since becoming the athletic director at Washington: football coach Chris Peterson, and men's basketball coach Mike Hopkins. Both are no-BS type of coaches and have been great fits at UW.

This might be a reach, but two out of the box candidates for the job (and I would only hire them IF they can also bring in a nationally prominent distance coach who is not a BS artist) are Francesca Green at Arizona and Joanna Hayes at USC, though I'm not sure they would want the headache of being a director, since they have young kids.

Green has ties to the state of Washington, having attended high school in the state, and competed at Washington State. The job she's done at UA with their sprint group is outstanding, and she can recruit.

Hayman’s Own wrote:

Oh man he Shaned it! Those Washington coaches sure know how to do it

Ouch! That’s the funniest comment about this subject