Ajee Wilson 4:05 and Charline Lipsey 4:07

I started this post thinking people would be talking about 2 800 meter runners, running decent 1500's in a low key meet, thinking maybe in the right kind of Europe race like Monaco, perhaps they could go under 4 and be potential 800 AND 1500 doublers in Globals Worlds/Olympics, sad that it has turned into a doping thread.

Hi Carlos,

Speak for yourself stop getting agents and athletes involved In your argument,,there was no such meeting.

Agent. wrote:

Hi Carlos,

Speak for yourself stop getting agents and athletes involved In your argument,,there was no such meeting.

Brenda’s husband?

casual obsever wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Is this the same 'tainted steak' steriod found in Jamaican samples at the 2008 Olympics?

No, that was Clen. Wada has the two in the same class of roids though. So much for not performance enhancing.

As for her not doping because she isn"t that kind of person, well, that joke stopped being funny years ago.

Yes my memory is failing me, of course Clenbuterol. Now who could possibly benefit from that? ? yes that excuse has long since dug it's own grave.

As for the WADA prohibited list:

"OTHER ANABOLIC AGENTS

Including, but not limited to:

Clenbuterol, selective androgen receptor modulators

(SARMs, e.g. andarine, LGD-4033, ostarine and RAD140),

tibolone, zeranol and zilpaterol."

It is right up there with Ostarine and SARMs

douglas burke wrote:

I started this post thinking people would be talking about 2 800 meter runners, running decent 1500's in a low key meet, thinking maybe in the right kind of Europe race like Monaco, perhaps they could go under 4 and be potential 800 AND 1500 doublers in Globals Worlds/Olympics, sad that it has turned into a doping thread.

Yes it is sad Douglas, yes you're right, like anybody would dope for a low key meet......... except the Chinese, Russians, Ukrainians, Nigerians, Moroccans, Algerians, Canadians, Poles, Finns, East Germans, West Germans, French, Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Greeks, Czechoslovakians, Kenyans, Ethiopians, Botswanans, South Africans, Zambians, Ugandans, Namibians, Norwegians, Kazakhstanis, Indians, Ivory Coasters, Jamaicans, T&Ts, Barbadians, Cubans, Bahamians, Turks, Saudis, Qataris, Bahraini, Dutch, Belgiums, Bulgarians, Romanians, Belarusians, Latvians, Brits, Irish, Estonians and of course Americans. Actually from what we know now, low key meets are more likely to have doped performances than say a World Championships in London helped by GlaxoSmithKline.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

No, that was Clen. Wada has the two in the same class of roids though. So much for not performance enhancing.

As for her not doping because she isn"t that kind of person, well, that joke stopped being funny years ago.

Yes my memory is failing me, of course Clenbuterol. Now who could possibly benefit from that? ? yes that excuse has long since dug it's own grave.

As for the WADA prohibited list:

"OTHER ANABOLIC AGENTS

Including, but not limited to:

Clenbuterol, selective androgen receptor modulators

(SARMs, e.g. andarine, LGD-4033, ostarine and RAD140),

tibolone, zeranol and zilpaterol."It is right up there with Ostarine and SARMs

Doesn’t mean they have the same impact.

Again, if she were to be found with a high amount of zeranol, she would be more estrogenic and slower.

Zeranol is what they could give Semenya to level out the playing field.

You guys are retards.

Dummy. She did name the restaurant. She provided the receipt from her meal to USADA. They traced it back and found zeranol — the reason the case was dropped.

From USADA:

“Our investigation [of Wilson’s case] included tracing the beef back to the supplier, and our understanding is that the meat contamination issue is not specific to a particular geographical region of the US.”

They found zeranol in the meal (beef)? That may be what her coach is saying, but not USADA.

More details, also with comments regarding zeranol's functions:

Impressive but what I would expect. You don't run fast 8's without the ability to run decent 1500's sorry but that is how it is. I would think that Rudisha at 1:40's was in 3:35 shape but what do I know.....LOL

douglas burke wrote:

I started this post thinking people would be talking about 2 800 meter runners, running decent 1500's in a low key meet, thinking maybe in the right kind of Europe race like Monaco, perhaps they could go under 4 and be potential 800 AND 1500 doublers in Globals Worlds/Olympics, sad that it has turned into a doping thread.

And that is her fault for failing a drug test. Sorry, but no one gets the benefit of the doubt anymore. There have been too many BS excuses and explanations. "Tainted beef" just isn't going to cut it, even if it is the truth.

douglas burke wrote:

I started this post thinking people would be talking about 2 800 meter runners, running decent 1500's in a low key meet, thinking maybe in the right kind of Europe race like Monaco, perhaps they could go under 4 and be potential 800 AND 1500 doublers in Globals Worlds/Olympics, sad that it has turned into a doping thread.

This is a site for putting runners down and accusing them of doping without evidence. What do you expect.

Besides, even I can run 4.05. It doesn't indicate anything to me. Wake me up if she runs 4.00.

Les wrote:

Wilson/Lipsey are living proof you can dope with impunity. Test positive and USATF will cover for you if you pay off the right people.

Incorrect. A "cover up" would mean that you don't hear about the positive test at all.

Wilson did name the restaurant and had a wastebasket full of receipts. USADA did not publish the name of the restaurant for fear of a libel suit. I definitely don't recall or heard of any meeting where there was a discussion about anything involving Wilson. To the contrary, I was with 2 coaches and several pro athletes recently who were talking about not being able to go their favorite fast food restaurant for fear of what happened to Wilson. With that said, after giving some more thought to this, I actually do know of 2 individuals who have questioned Wilson's cleanliness; however, one of them was provided with unpublish facts on this case and has since changed. The clear and easy to understand facts are, USADA didn't just go by a single test result, they sat on the result and investigated her. Zeronal is a poor choice of PED for a tier 1 athletes because it requires large amounts to be performance enhancing, it stays in your system for a long time and is easily detectable if you are being tested. If she was doping, it probably didn't help her very much because she had her best season after the serving the ban.

exactly Track Coach.

Zeranol is a non-steroid agent approved by U S food and drug administration to promote animal growth in beef production but is banned for such use in Europe and other countries.

Investigators measured Zearalenone mycoestrogen and Zeranol in the urine of 163 girls participating in the Jersey girls study and found detectable levels in 78 percent of girls.

More specifically,,high levels ofZearlenone mycoestrogen were found in 55 percent of samples,,while low percent of Zeranol were found in 20 percent of samples.

Researchers also evaluated food sources for these mycoestrogen,and found that beef and popcorn intake were strong predictors of dectectable levels in urine.

Kai Hansen wrote:

And that is her fault for failing a drug test. Sorry, but no one gets the benefit of the doubt anymore. There have been too many BS excuses and explanations. "Tainted beef" just isn't going to cut it, even if it is the truth.

Yup, that is why Evan Jager is crucified on here on a daily basis. No one gets the benefit of the doubt.

That is not true about the name of the restaurant! Sorry try again.

Keep posting your long winded answers and try to defend a dirty cheat it makes you sound like her coach. All the agents and athletes know she is dirty. Very funny this went down after her indoor American best. Yeah, she is clean, haha

1:55 for woman is an Intersex/Eastern Bloc 1980s/Doped-up Russian-Ukrainian time. Either Wilson is Superwoman or something else.

Kai Hansen wrote:

And that is her fault for failing a drug test. Sorry, but no one gets the benefit of the doubt anymore. There have been too many BS excuses and explanations. "Tainted beef" just isn't going to cut it, even if it is the truth.

plausitty wrote:

Yup, that is why Evan Jager is crucified on here on a daily basis. No one gets the benefit of the doubt.

And don't forget the ponytailed blonde Maggie Vessey, who also failed a drug test but was re-instated. Letsrun never forgave her. NNNNNNNNNNNOT!