Stacked field for Pre Classic 2-mile...

true-dat boys wrote:

knlm, wrote:

this is a weird post. True is a pretty no nonsense guy. Not one who makes excuses for himself.

what about True calling out Kiprop and his agent on Twitter but not acknowledging his agent (aurumsports) as a group who represents dathan ritzenhein and kara goucher, both of whom have recent allegations about PED's against them. i personally, couldn't care less, but it's hypocritical

true is kind of a whiner. i hope he does well on the roads and i like him as a runner though.

he should probably just continue to develop his coffee business...

yeah totally similar situations. BIG hypocrite.

Ben's Agent: 0 doping convictions. 2 athletes who have openly testified AGAINST suspected dopers.

Kiprop's Agents: 5 doping convictions.

Hermès link ice blue mink wrote:

Chelimo and mead don’t want none of king Ches!

Y’all saw what he did to chelimo at JDL then went and ran a 3:49 mile in Boston. If their isn’t a pacer It May help a little Ches is a solid kicker but not the best, if it’s paced that’s game over

As someone who watched King Ches take it to Chelimo, in person, I'd just like to remind you that Chelimo was doubling back from a prior 3200m...

Yep start to 600, then the last 500.

You are right.

Having been in the pre-production meetings for these meets, they laugh out loud about all of the calls and emails they will get from the 'running nuts'...

So I actually asked them how many calls they get about this , and the producer said, "about 20......"

D'oh!

Ummm ....

KickingitHighSchool wrote:

Hermès link ice blue mink wrote:

Chelimo and mead don’t want none of king Ches!

Y’all saw what he did to chelimo at JDL then went and ran a 3:49 mile in Boston. If their isn’t a pacer It May help a little Ches is a solid kicker but not the best, if it’s paced that’s game over

As someone who watched King Ches take it to Chelimo, in person, I'd just like to remind you that Chelimo was doubling back from a prior 3200m...

Ches is a chump. Hopefully even an injury-recovering Tiernan will beat him at Pre.

Ben MF True for the win!

Moby wrote:

true-dat boys wrote:

what about True calling out Kiprop and his agent on Twitter but not acknowledging his agent (aurumsports) as a group who represents dathan ritzenhein and kara goucher, both of whom have recent allegations about PED's against them. i personally, couldn't care less, but it's hypocritical

true is kind of a whiner. i hope he does well on the roads and i like him as a runner though.

he should probably just continue to develop his coffee business...

yeah totally similar situations. BIG hypocrite.

Ben's Agent: 0 doping convictions. 2 athletes who have openly testified AGAINST suspected dopers.

Kiprop's Agents: 5 doping convictions.

Kara Goucher and Ritz pretty much admitted they did stuff outside of the rules while at NOP

not sure what you're talking about?!

Some of the people here really are dimwitted. Just because the 2 mile record isn't quite as strong as the 3k record or Bekele's 5k WR doesn't mean it's weak. Komen's 3k time won't be challenged for a long long time if ever. No one else has ever run under 8 in the two mile. You guys are nuts to even think that anyone in this field has a shot at even coming close to bettering Haile's best 2 mile. And it's more than 2 seconds short of Komen's.

This one [cough] is or may be.

Two 3:56's is possible but all you need is to wrap it up in 4:00.

Who is possible...Cheserek.

Two mile run one of my favorite events.

Takinadump wrote:

Some of the people here really are dimwitted. Just because the 2 mile record isn't quite as strong as the 3k record or Bekele's 5k WR doesn't mean it's weak. Komen's 3k time won't be challenged for a long long time if ever. No one else has ever run under 8 in the two mile. You guys are nuts to even think that anyone in this field has a shot at even coming close to bettering Haile's best 2 mile. And it's more than 2 seconds short of Komen's.

Duh. It’s still a world record.

But relatively speaking, it is pretty weak.

I think almost all the posters in this thread agree that the world record is not going down.

Your post is useless.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Takinadump wrote:

Some of the people here really are dimwitted. Just because the 2 mile record isn't quite as strong as the 3k record or Bekele's 5k WR doesn't mean it's weak. Komen's 3k time won't be challenged for a long long time if ever. No one else has ever run under 8 in the two mile. You guys are nuts to even think that anyone in this field has a shot at even coming close to bettering Haile's best 2 mile. And it's more than 2 seconds short of Komen's.

Duh. It’s still a world record.

But relatively speaking, it is pretty weak.

I think almost all the posters in this thread agree that the world record is not going down.

Your post is useless.

Relatively speaking it's weak? Talk about a useless statement. It's not weak by any measure. It would take a caliber of athlete that is capable of threatening the 5k world record to break it. That's not weak at all and no such athlete is currently competing.

Takinadump wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Duh. It’s still a world record.

But relatively speaking, it is pretty weak.

I think almost all the posters in this thread agree that the world record is not going down.

Your post is useless.

Relatively speaking it's weak? Talk about a useless statement. It's not weak by any measure. It would take a caliber of athlete that is capable of threatening the 5k world record to break it. That's not weak at all and no such athlete is currently competing.

It's weaker than almost every other world record, so yes, it is relatively weak.

King Ches probably has 8-flat capabilities.

True is a chump and will get thoroughly owned in this race. He missed his shot at (mild) marathon success. No idea why he's running all these 2-milers and road 5K's. Sad!

Takinadump wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Duh. It’s still a world record.

But relatively speaking, it is pretty weak.

I think almost all the posters in this thread agree that the world record is not going down.

Your post is useless.

Relatively speaking it's weak? Talk about a useless statement. It's not weak by any measure. It would take a caliber of athlete that is capable of threatening the 5k world record to break it. That's not weak at all and no such athlete is currently competing.

It does not take a mid 12:3x guy to break the 2 mile WR.

wish it was a 5k with a good pacer wrote:

cheserek will win.

wish this was a 5k, ches would be going after sub 13:00

Tiernan won't let it be a kickers race unless he's not in great shape. he's a grinder. same with True. But really, those dudes are probably just going to PB's, not a win.

Tiernan? Chelimo wouldn't do that either. Just pointing him out because I think hes a lot better at doing that

Daniel Komen is the only man to break 8:00 in the 2 mile, and he did it twice (7:58.61 with back to back sub 4:00 miles and 7:58.91 a year later). He also holds the 3000m record at an untouchable 7:20.67.

Stacked field sounds great, but 8 minutes or bust. Anything else is a disappointment.

the 3000m and 2 mile records are held by the same man

westsouthrunner wrote:

wish it was a 5k with a good pacer wrote:

cheserek will win.

wish this was a 5k, ches would be going after sub 13:00

Tiernan won't let it be a kickers race unless he's not in great shape. he's a grinder. same with True. But really, those dudes are probably just going to PB's, not a win.

Tiernan? Chelimo wouldn't do that either. Just pointing him out because I think hes a lot better at doing that

There's no way Chelimo pushes the pace by himself.

true-dat boys wrote:

knlm, wrote:

this is a weird post. True is a pretty no nonsense guy. Not one who makes excuses for himself.

what about True calling out Kiprop and his agent on Twitter but not acknowledging his agent (aurumsports) as a group who represents dathan ritzenhein and kara goucher, both of whom have recent allegations about PED's against them. i personally, couldn't care less, but it's hypocritical

true is kind of a whiner. i hope he does well on the roads and i like him as a runner though.

he should probably just continue to develop his coffee business...

That has noting to do with true making excuses for himself you idiot

To break the 2Mi WR you'll have to split 3k at around 7:26. Only six people have ever done that, and everyone of them was on EPO when it couldn't be detected.

Short of the invention of a new, undetectable super-drug, 3:26/3:43/7:20/7:58/12:37/26:17 will never be broken.

As it stands, 3:28/3:47/7:28/12:50/26:45 are about the most you can get away with using modern doping methods.

Those recent 7:27s and 12:45s run in 2011 and 2012 when several Kenyans were talking about a new drug being available. I believe Kiprop was even on record talking about it (how ironic.) Seems IAAF caught on, cracked down, and now we're back to the sorts of times you can accomplish with micro-dosing EPO.

Clean World Records are probably in the neighborhood of 3:29/3:48/7:28/8:04/12:50/26:50